# Fundamentalist Muslim Message Board **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 2, 2002, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074 "2002-08-02T20:16:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/61 "2002-08-07T10:48:22Z")
For the same reasons an Arab merchant might have asked the same question in 1199 after seeing his family killed and his house burned by Crusaders. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/62 "2002-08-07T10:50:24Z")
Are you trying to go down the road of equalling the Crusades to 9/11? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/63 "2002-08-07T11:13:33Z")
just 9/11? Are we forgetting attacks on Christian schoolsd in Pakistan, Daniel Pearl’s murder (“I am a Jew, I am the son of a Jew”), the _fatwa_ against Salman Rushdie for writing a book, the stifling of liberal voices within Islam… The voices of hate are drowning out the voices of tolerance right now. So, yeah, religious violanece sanctioned by the clergy, yeah I’ll say there are some similarities there. Islam doesn’t have to be violent any more than Christianity does. Look at the Sufis, who only wish to attain perfect union with their Beloved, and who have much in common with Zen Buddhism. Look at the Cordovan emirate, when Muslim Spain served as an oasis of tolerance and humanity. But right now, anti-Western hatred seems to be the rising sentiment in Islam, serving as a target on which unemployed, impoverished, tyrannized Muslims can vent their rage. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/64 "2002-08-07T11:22:18Z")
I rate the site as darn goofy. The general tone is childish and the religious spin they put on things is excessive. I say that and look where I live. Buncha goofballs. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/65 "2002-08-07T11:39:43Z")
Glad to hear it, **Paul**. I need reassurances that people, overall, haven’t gone completely to the dogs. See, **TwistofFate** , THAT’S what I wanted–a reassuring word from someone who knows what he’s talking about. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/66 "2002-08-07T11:40:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > just 9/11? Are we forgetting attacks on Christian schoolsd in Pakistan, Daniel Pearl’s murder (“I am a Jew, I am the son of a Jew”), How about the assaults on Muslims after 9/11 in the US? is that indicative of Common American feeling towards Islam? > [@](#): > > the _fatwa_ against Salman Rushdie for writing a book, Why bring this up? Do you think Rushdie is still living in fear of his life? > [@](#): > > the stifling of liberal voices within Islam… The voices of hate are drowning out the voices of tolerance right now. While you are right, which do you think makes better news in the west? A voice of Reason or a voice of Hate? > [@](#): > > So, yeah, religious violence sanctioned by the clergy, yeah I’ll say there are some similarities there. Not really. The Crusades (as I’m sure you know) were Church (not clergy) sponsored INVASIONS of another country. That dosent happen much anymore. > [@](#): > > Islam doesn’t have to be violent any more than Christianity does. Look at the Sufis, who only wish to attain perfect union with their Beloved, and who have much in common with Zen Buddhism. Look at the Cordovan emirate, when Muslim Spain served as an oasis of tolerance and humanity. Correct. Islam dosent teach violence. Mistranslation and disinformation are leading people to believe that it does. \*\* On Both Sides. \*\* > [@](#): > > But right now, anti-Western hatred seems to be the rising sentiment in Islam, serving as a target on which unemployed, impoverished, tyrannized Muslims can vent their rage. It seems to be the rising sentiment amongst thick headed idiots like the ones that popyulate the boards mentioned. It is NOT the sentiment of the majority of Islam. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/67 "2002-08-07T11:55:11Z")
> [@](#): > > How about the assaults on Muslims after 9/11 in the US? is that indicative of Common American feeling towards Islam? Very few such incidents occurred, far fewer than would have occurred in any other country. The overall sentiment here, in fact, was to protect the rights of Muslims and not to scapegoat them as we did the Japanese-Americans in WWII. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/68 "2002-08-07T14:21:02Z")
> [@](#): > > How about the assaults on Muslims after 9/11 in the US? is that indicative of Common American feeling towards Islam? Those fucknuts are on trial and will be punished. No violence for religious reasons in your country, I must assume. I think you are using erotema, not quite a pysma yet. See the “december” thread. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/69 "2002-08-08T01:41:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > [ > > Why bring this up? Do you think Rushdie is still living in fear of his life? Canada’s national airline does. There was a big hubbub a few months ago when a directive was issued banning Rushdie from Air Canada flights. A public uproar ensued and the directive was withdrawn best as I remember it. ---
**Author:** ![Efrem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@Efrem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Efrem)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/70 "2002-08-08T21:53:21Z")
> [@](#): > > _ **rand 100** _ > Efrem, I think grienspace was counting you among the open-minded Muslims at this message board > [@](#): > > _ **grienspace** _ > “There’s Efrem as well” was meant to convey that we, the SDMB have you as well as a spokesperson for the world of Islam Er… did I just that read correctly? Guys, you must be mistaken I am not Muslim, I officially belong to the Eritrean Orthodox Church (For more info check out ‘Ask Eritrean Guy’ thread). 😃 However, more accurately I could be described as Agnostic. ---
**Author:** ![Truth\_Seeker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Truth\_Seeker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truth_Seeker)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/71 "2002-08-08T23:09:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*How about the assaults on Muslims after 9/11 in the US? is that indicative of Common American feeling towards Islam? > \*\* Sorry, **Twisty**. I’ve got to call you on this one. You can say a lot of things about America and George Bush. But one thing that is unequivocally meritorious is the instant, conscious and universal determination not to scapegoat Muslims for 9/11. Sure, there were a few incidents, there are criminals everywhere. But Bush made it a point in his very first speech to emphasize that American Muslims were not going to be blamed, not even a little bit, for 9/11. I recall reading numerous reports where members of churches and synagogues turned out to protect mosques in the face of anonymous threats. On the whole, considering the provocation of 9/11, the spirit of tolerance displayed by Americans was exemplary. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/72 "2002-08-09T05:54:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Efrem \* > [B Guys, you must be mistaken I am not Muslim, \*\* :smack: ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/73 "2002-08-09T10:58:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Truth Seeker \* > \*\* > > Sorry, **Twisty**. I’ve got to call you on this one. You can say a lot of things about America and George Bush. But one thing that is unequivocally meritorious is the instant, conscious and universal determination not to scapegoat Muslims for 9/11. I completely agree, and am very happy that the incidents were limited, but there were incidents. What I was trying to say was that using isolated incidents, regardless of how dispicable they were, does not equal what mainstream ideology is. > [@](#): > > Sure, there were a few incidents, there are criminals everywhere. But Bush made it a point in his very first speech to emphasize that American Muslims were not going to be blamed, not even a little bit, for 9/11. I recall reading numerous reports where members of churches and synagogues turned out to protect mosques in the face of anonymous threats. > > On the whole, considering the provocation of 9/11, the spirit of tolerance displayed by Americans was exemplary. \*\* If you will allow me to be the Devils Advocate for a moment \*\* WOOO! I’m the Devils Advocate!!!\*\* [sub] Sorry, I always wanted to do that joke [/sub] Please forgive me. I am having trouble trying to express my ideas on this matter into words. I’m going to think about what I want to say, and get back to you. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/74 "2002-08-09T11:21:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > No violence for religious reasons in your country, I must assume. Violence based on religion in Ireland. Well I never 😉 ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/75 "2002-08-09T11:31:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\* Those fucknuts are on trial and will be punished. No violence for religious reasons in your country, I must assume. > > I think you are using erotema, not quite a pysma yet. See the “december” thread. \*\* There is plenty of violence in my country based on religion, unfortunately. but I think my point is that violence is not what the tenets of religion teaches, (or should teach, so to speak.) ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2002, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/76 "2002-08-09T13:20:27Z")
Did anyone notice that (as of two days ago…I haven’t been back to check) you had to register to even browse the threads anymore? Maybe Allah really IS watching… ---
**Author:** ![Winnowill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/4491bb/32.png) [@Winnowill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winnowill)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2002, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074/77 "2002-08-10T02:09:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Spit \* > \*\*Did anyone notice that (as of two days ago…I haven’t been back to check) you had to register to even browse the threads anymore? > > Maybe Allah really IS watching… \*\* [This](http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/02/0802/080102.html#080702) is probably why. Lileks wrote a Bleat about that board on Wednesday. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fundamentalist-muslim-message-board/122074.md?page=3)