# Ga Teens kill puppy in oven **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 26, 2007, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624 "2007-01-26T21:23:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/21 "2007-01-27T01:19:23Z")
To expand on **Miller** ’s very cogent points, I think that there’s also a factor of the solution to for this story. Incarcerating these two teens for a long time is going to meet most definitions of solving the problem that is described in the OP’s incident. With respect to Iraq, there is no easy solution. Maintaining the US armed presence in Iraq for the next 20 to 30 years will not prevent the violence, but I do believe it will mitigate it. Whether that mitigation is going to be enough to justify the expense and human cost is beyond the scope of this thread. Pulling all US troops out of Iraq will, IMNSHO, allow the various factions to escalate their violence beyond the current levels. There is no simple solution to the problems in Iraq. Given that situation, in many ways it’s more satisfying to focus on a problem that can be easily solved, and one that looks to be heading in the proper direction, now that it has been reported to the proper authorities. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/22 "2007-01-27T01:50:54Z")
I think there is way more to this than the fact that a puppy was killed. I mean, hell, the animal shelter kills puppies, and I’m fine with that. What merits the pitting is the fact that two boys demonstrated that they are socially and mentally twisted, killing a defenseless animal in the most sadistic way possible. **Miller** is right on the money. And I really, really, really hope this thread doesn’t turn into a discussion about Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/23 "2007-01-27T02:19:29Z")
What **Miller** and **Jeep’s Phoenix** said. Also, **lowbrass** , you ARE aware that many psychopaths and serial killers get their start by torturing animals? That’s how Jeffrey Dahmer started out. ---
**Author:** ![choosybeggar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@choosybeggar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choosybeggar)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/24 "2007-01-27T02:35:55Z")
The second linked article (it loaded on the first click, now it’s asking for registration) stated they are accused of 9 felonies and face up to 60 years of prison. Fucked up as their offense is, does anyone else find that excessive? How did they rack up 9 felony counts? ---
**Author:** ![Cowboy8467](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@Cowboy8467](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cowboy8467)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/25 "2007-01-27T02:37:04Z")
[QUOTE=choosybeggar] The second linked article (it loaded on the first click, now it’s asking for registration) stated they are accused of 9 felonies and face up to 60 years of prison. Fucked up as their offense is, does anyone else find that excessive? How did they rack up 9 felony counts? [/QUOTE] Actually, I think it says that they face up to 90 years in prison ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/26 "2007-01-27T02:39:41Z")
**choosybeggar** , the moment they involved the other kids, they opened themselves up to a whole world of hurt. Intimidation, child endangerment, and I suspect racketeering could all be made to fit the situation. Plus they may get one count **each** for all relevant violations per each child they showed the puppy to. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/27 "2007-01-27T02:40:22Z")
I don’t really find it excessive. The kids in question have no place in normal society. They were old enough to know better, and they’ve demonstrated that they have criminal and sadistic tendencies - it’s a small step from this incident to torturing and killing actual people. A very small step. They should be far, far away from the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![choosybeggar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@choosybeggar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choosybeggar)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/28 "2007-01-27T02:41:20Z")
[QUOTE=Cowboy8467] Actually, I think it says that they face up to 90 years in prison [/QUOTE] I was posting from memory of the first click. Thanks for the correction. ---
**Author:** ![seenidog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@seenidog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seenidog)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/29 "2007-01-27T03:35:44Z")
From **Choosybeggar** : > [@](#): > > How did they rack up 9 felony counts? I too accessed the article once, and did a quick scan. I suspect that the majority of charges revolve around what I caught as this not being done in thier space. Burglary, criminal damage to property (it did say they defaced walls and attacked computer equipment) and the threats to children issues as previously mentioned. The DA is unloading on them, a practice I think is frequently abused, but in this case I sure as heck would not stand up to defend against the practice. If the evidence is there for a conclusive conviction, put these two sociopaths away for ever. Usually a criminal has a motive, either revenge or personal gain, and then tries to keep the crime a secret. These idiots had no clear motivation at all other than they could do it and gain some power base by scaring children. Let them rot. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/30 "2007-01-27T04:16:28Z")
[QUOTE=Beware of Doug] …the U.S. Marine Corps credo that “blood makes the grass grow.” [/QUOTE] As a former rugby player, I have always thought that was a rugby saying… I can only hope that at some point in their lives, both of these punks become capable of bonding with animals and deeply and painfully come to some sort of realization of the indescribably awful thing that they’ve done. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/31 "2007-01-27T04:23:48Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] As a former rugby player, I have always thought that was a rugby saying… I can only hope that at some point in their lives, both of these punks become capable of bonding with animals and deeply and painfully come to some sort of realization of the indescribably awful thing that they’ve done. [/QUOTE] The only bonding with animals should be when they are digested by wolves. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/32 "2007-01-27T05:01:35Z")
[QUOTE=Beware of Doug] My guess is **lowbrass** either a) has a hair up his back about knee-jerk animal rights activists, or b) is subtly agitating for greater societal acceptance of sadistic and/or violent behavior, perhaps in keeping with the U.S. Marine Corps credo that “blood makes the grass grow.” [/QUOTE] That’s an O’Reillyesque leap of logic. Isn’t it possible to think that it sucks that puppies are dead and also think that it sucks that people dredge this stuff up on a daily basis? That was my first thought reading the title. How do people find this stuff? What is the thought process behind posting it? How do they expect this thread to go? -Dead puppies suck. ☹ -I agree. ☹ -Me too. ☹ -I hope those animals get raped in prison. ☹ :mad: Why? Do they enjoy in some perverse way discussing dead animals and prison rape? Wasn’t there a rule against the “frowny face and shitty link” OP? Have I asked enough questions? ---
**Author:** ![seenidog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@seenidog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seenidog)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/33 "2007-01-27T05:04:27Z")
by **Argent Towers** : > [@](#): > > The only bonding with animals should be when they are digested by wolves. And perhaps might I add shit over a cliff? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/34 "2007-01-27T05:14:56Z")
[john belushi, in the early _SNL_] I want to use tax-funded municipal bonds . . . to bring Soviet Communists into your neighborhood . . . to kill your puppies! [/jbitesnl] ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/35 "2007-01-27T05:22:27Z")
The Decider’s bombs have killed countless puppies in Iraq! They must be incarcerated for their own good! ---
**Author:** ![seenidog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@seenidog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seenidog)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/36 "2007-01-27T05:23:04Z")
Oops, I forgot to give proper credit, my shit over a cliff comment was from comedian/actor Blake Clark, who in one of his routines said “I feel like I was eaten by wolves and shit over a cliff” Sorry I made it sound like my own. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/37 "2007-01-27T05:23:35Z")
[QUOTE=Cowboy8467] While I do agree with the death penalty, you seem to be implying that it’s merited in this case, which as heinous as it was, doesn’t compare to the taking of a human life. Although on second thought you did say it was a small part so maybe I’m mistaken. [/QUOTE] At the risk of turning this thread into a death-penalty debate: No, I did not mean it was merited in this particular case (although I could probably be persuaded to look the other way were it applied). More like this is the sort of inhumanity that convinces me we’re better off without some people. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/38 "2007-01-27T05:24:36Z")
[QUOTE=Aeschines] The Decider’s bombs have killed countless puppies in Iraq! They must be incarcerated for their own good! [/QUOTE] The Decider, the bombs, or the puppies? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/39 "2007-01-27T06:11:37Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] The Decider, the bombs, or the puppies? [/QUOTE] All three, in two cages. Your pick as to which two go in one cage, and what one in the other. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2007, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624/40 "2007-01-27T13:13:16Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] I don’t get these kinds of threads. Yeah, it’s fucked up, but so many _worse_ things happened that same day - does it really merit a pit thread devoted to it? 1442 people were killed in Iraq so far this month, but one puppy rockets to the top of your indignation list? [/QUOTE] The crime isn’t “just” killing a puppy, it’s tormenting children by showing them the dead puppy and threatening to kill them if they tell anyone about the dead puppy. Don’t you agree that the threats to children, and emotional suffering inflicted on them deserves some outrage? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ga-teens-kill-puppy-in-oven/389624.md?page=3)