# Game of Thrones 2.04 "Garden of Bones" 4/22 No Book Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2012, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567 "2012-04-22T07:52:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/41 "2012-04-23T16:40:23Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Pretty stupid stance to take when you and your people face being added to The Garden of Bones after which they’ll take you dragons anyway. I don’t think the dragons would like that. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/42 "2012-04-23T16:51:39Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I don’t think the dragons would like that. They’re too small right now to do anything about it. Isn’t that why she didn’t show them? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/43 "2012-04-23T16:55:24Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > They’re too small right now to do anything about it. I think it would be unwise to assume that. They are docile because they are in the care of Daenerys, but who knows what they are capable of if she, or they, are threatened? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/44 "2012-04-23T17:19:10Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I think it would be unwise to assume that. They are docile because they are in the care of Daenerys, but who knows what they are capable of if she, or they, are threatened? Yeah but that does not explain why Dany would not show them to The Thirteen. Either she was hiding the fact that they are too small to be protected and she’s a dumb ass for not showing them because they can be taken once she is dead or she’s a dumb ass for not showing them because. . .??? and they won’t be taken once she’s dead. Not showing them made no sense at all. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/45 "2012-04-23T17:35:03Z")
It’s also possible that the dragons can’t yet survive without Dany, as she is “the mother of dragons”, so the “kill her and take the dragons” plan might very soon result in having three very unique but otherwise useless small corpses. I love love LOVE this show, but I actually thought this was one of the weaker episodes… in particular, much as I love some female nudity, I thought the scene with Joffrey and the whores was just totally unnecessary. We already knew he was a sadistic bastard, and given the scene with Sansa, we even got the idea there were sexual overtones to it. This was one of the rare cases where the boobies felt truly gratuitous and, frankly, a bit boring. By the way, since this is the no-book-spoiler thread, I’m very curious if any non-book-readers have predictions as to where they think things are going this season… make them now, and you’ll look like a genius in a few months if you’re right! ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/46 "2012-04-23T17:39:43Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > By the way, since this is the no-book-spoiler thread, I’m very curious if any non-book-readers have predictions as to where they think things are going this season… make them now, and you’ll look like a genius in a few months if you’re right! No idea where things are going… But to be fair, I’m not 100% clear on what’s happened so far. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/47 "2012-04-23T17:47:48Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > It’s also possible that the dragons can’t yet survive without Dany, as she is “the mother of dragons”, so the “kill her and take the dragons” plan might very soon result in having three very unique but otherwise useless small corpses. But Dany would still be dead, hence her decision not to show them is about as dumb as Ned’s decision to tell Cescei what he was up to. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/48 "2012-04-23T17:53:06Z")
I liked the scene between Littlefinger and Catelyn. Littlefinger loses control for the first time in the show but quickly gathers himself, calculates the angles and figures out how to proceed. Catelyn was great in the scene too. Hope we see more of that nurse who bandied words with Robb. What was her name? Quarth is the most beautiful place we have seen so far and a relief from the drabness that is Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/49 "2012-04-23T17:55:34Z")
Too late for edit: That black guy’s ‘I like your moxie!’ move to let her in the city was a cheap move. Show the dragons or add to the Garden of Bones. It’s not like the city of Qarth isn’t known for letting people die outside it’s walls. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/50 "2012-04-23T18:04:24Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > But Dany would still be dead, hence her decision not to show them is about as dumb as Ned’s decision to tell Cescei what he was up to. Remember how incredibly valuable the dragons are. Even the dragon’s eggs are enough to buy an army. An actual live dragon would be worth vastly more. The Quarthians can’t afford to attack Dany because they don’t know how to control the dragons and keep them alive. Dany has a strong hand and she wants to show the Quarthians that she knows it. It’s a bit of a bluff but far from crazy. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/51 "2012-04-23T18:35:40Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > No idea where things are going… But to be fair, I’m not 100% clear on what’s happened so far. Well, there are a bunch of people. And they talk a lot. And some kid is king, and a bunch of other people want to be king. And there are some dragons, and a smoke-monster baby involved, too. And a lot of the people seem to be moving around, but some are not moving much at all. This all happens in short spurts between the sex scenes. 🙂 Did anyone see the SNL spoof on GoT last week? Not this last Saturday, but the week before. Damn, that was funny!! ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/52 "2012-04-23T18:43:01Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > That black guy’s ‘I like your moxie!’ move to let her in the city was a cheap move. Show the dragons or add to the Garden of Bones. It’s not like the city of Qarth isn’t known for letting people die outside it’s walls. Might have been cheap but the motivation was there – now he’s Dany’s only friend. I think she would have caved if Zo Zan Zee (WTF?) hadn’t stepped up. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/53 "2012-04-23T18:48:04Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Did anyone see the SNL spoof on GoT last week? Not this last Saturday, but the week before. Damn, that was funny!! Does anyone have a link to this? ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/54 "2012-04-23T19:12:35Z")
First of all, I have to say I don’t think there has ever been a more brutal, hardcore, and tension-filled hour in the history of television. This was truly epic. I’m stunned that some people found fault with it or thought it was one of the weaker episodes. > [@AuntiePam](#): > > I posted this question at Sepinwall’s blog, and am asking here too because I’m really curious. > > _I’m curious if viewers who haven’t read the books are upset by what happened with Melisandre. This is the first real magic we’ve seen, and it has the potential to upset the balance of power, and make the humans less important. I mean, why worry about what the Lannisters and Greyjoys are up to when one side can birth monsters? Will some viewers see GoT as an X-rated Harry Potter now? Will this be too much magic? I guess I’m asking non-readers how this affects their perception of the show._ > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > By the way, since this is the no-book-spoiler thread, I’m very curious if any non-book-readers have predictions as to where they think things are going this season… make them now, and you’ll look like a genius in a few months if you’re right! As an unspoilered non-book-reader, I predicted from the first episode of this season (right here in these threads) that it would be Stannis’ claim to the throne that would be successful due to the powers of Melisandre, as she and her powers are the natural foil to Dany and her dragons. How could anything currently in Westoros even compete? And afterall, it’s Stannis and Melisandre’s shadow baby and Dany and her dragons that are the two most legitimate heirs to the throne amongst all the claimants. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Which actually reminds me - the music works very well in that little scene, but the music on this show in general is pretty weak. None of the themes are memorable, the music isn’t suitably epic for the content, and just in general the music is the only really sub-par element of the show. Really, grand epic fantasy music has been on a dry spell for quite a while. Wow. I find the opening theme song, and the small elements of it used throughout the show, to be powerful, memorable, and very well done. “Epic” is exactly the word I would use for the music. I guess I could be just having a Pavlovian response to it, but I don’t think so - I REALLY like the music! ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/55 "2012-04-23T20:10:03Z")
For those interested, here is a [great article on the opening title sequence.](http://www.artofthetitle.com/2011/05/12/game-of-thrones/) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/56 "2012-04-23T20:48:52Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > The foot cutting scene, the rat torture scene, the beating Sansa scene, the sadistic whoring scene. . . Jack Gleason is going to need armed guards to leave his house after this series is over-- all had me churning a bit inside. Yeah, a whole lot of nasty torture in this ep. Did not like. Granted, it was all authentically medieval in its awfulness, but still … bleargh. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/57 "2012-04-23T20:54:36Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Yeah, a whole lot of nasty torture in this ep. Did not like. Granted, it was all authentically medieval in its awfulness, but still … bleargh. Too. . . many. . .username/post. . . jokes. System. . . overloading. . . ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/58 "2012-04-23T21:28:31Z")
_Loved_ watching Tyrion step in to save Sansa, particularly the “_That_ was a threat. See the difference?” bit with the Kingsguard and Bronn. Cersei’s face is more expressive this season, but Dany’s is less, somehow. Make with the facial expressions, girl! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/59 "2012-04-23T21:30:39Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Does anyone have a link to this? Here’s a [Link explaining why there is no link.](http://www.webpronews.com/nbc-and-hulu-wont-carry-snls-game-of-thrones-skit-2012-04) ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/60 "2012-04-23T21:39:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Well, there are a bunch of people. And they talk a lot. And some kid is king, and a bunch of other people want to be king. And there are some dragons, and a smoke-monster baby involved, too. And a lot of the people seem to be moving around, but some are not moving much at all. This all happens in short spurts between the sex scenes. 🙂 Every time I start to figure things out, I see boobs and forget everything again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567.md?page=4)