# Game of Thrones 2.04 "Garden of Bones" 4/22 No Book Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2012, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567 "2012-04-22T07:52:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/161 "2012-04-29T17:51:20Z")
[Week 5 thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=649215&page=4) ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/162 "2012-04-29T18:07:57Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > [Week 5 thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=649215&page=4) Your link just brings me right back to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/163 "2012-04-29T18:12:09Z")
Woops. [Week 5 thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=650048). ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/164 "2012-04-29T18:28:29Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > The show doesn’t have to be set in Britain for us to notice that all the Westeros characters have British accents and one of them has a fake British accent. Although I think Dinklage’s accent is pretty good. Then again, I’m not British. The characters have fucking _Westeros_ accents, and for all we know Tyrion’s is the most authentic of them all. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/165 "2012-04-29T18:34:15Z")
So they sound like Canadians when they’re not fucking? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/166 "2012-04-29T19:06:34Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > The characters have fucking _Westeros_ accents, and for all we know Tyrion’s is the most authentic of them all. :mad: Would you be defending it if he talked like Jar Jar? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/167 "2012-04-29T19:20:52Z")
Is it accurate to say that Jar Jar has a Jamaican accent? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/168 "2012-04-29T20:50:51Z")
So what is the purpose of the smoke spirit thing? Is it going to attack Renly? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/169 "2012-04-29T20:52:03Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So what is the purpose of the smoke spirit thing? Is it going to attack Renly? I doubt that’s going to be a dangling plot thread. ---
**Author:** ![Maiira](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Maiira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maiira)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/170 "2012-04-30T01:54:15Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > And now for something entirely different: > I admit to having been a little put off by Geoffrey’s scene with the hookers - that wasn’t in the book and 1) I fear they start adding more sensationalist stuff as they go along and 2) fuck me, but did they _really_need to add that? Wasn’t he quite despicable enough a little creep, that they had to turn up his casual misogyny into straight up cartoonish evil? Were they afraid somebody might have missed the point and rooted for him or something? Yeeeeeeah, that one got to me too. I mean, I get that it’s supposed to be a power play against his uncle, but it was also a bit like the producers were saying “HEY GUYS DID YOU KNOW YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO HATE JOFFREY? BECAUSE YOU ARE. WE JUST THOUGHT WE’D MAKE IT NICE AND CLEAR FOR YOU. YOU’RE WELCOME.” Then again, I also watched it thinking “yeah, why does this not surprise me at all?” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/171 "2012-04-30T16:14:24Z")
Good episode. VERY glad to see Tywin ride in and stop the torture - Charles Dance is just great in that role. Liked his regal putdowns of his mooks, and being able to instantly spot that Arya was a girl. I agree with **Unauthorized Cinnamon** ’s interpretation of why Dany refused to show off the dragons. Loved the CGI when the Qarth gates open and we see the city within - fantastic! ---
**Author:** ![wayward](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a87d85/32.png) [@wayward](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wayward)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/172 "2012-05-01T13:23:29Z")
It’s interesting that that Joffrey scene wasn’t in the book (I haven’t read it) - I wonder if it means they’re going in a slightly different direction with the character. Although he’s done plenty of evil things up until now, most of them could be seenat least in part as him being a petulant teenager with entirely too much power, showing off to the court and overcompensating for his young age. The whole thing with the prostitutes, to me, seemed like a transition to a much more deliberate, entirely grown-up sort of evil. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/173 "2012-05-01T13:43:09Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > No idea where things are going… But to be fair, I’m not 100% clear on what’s happened so far. +1 (My first +1 ever and to be fair I’m not 100% sure what it means :D) ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/174 "2012-05-01T13:49:12Z")
If they establish how much of a shit Joffrey is like they did in the books, we’d be seeing a lot more Sansa. I think the writers on the show just wanted to speed up our understanding of his character. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/175 "2012-05-01T13:54:05Z")
Sansa, poor thing. She had a real shot at the whole fairy-tale princess ride and took it, and now it’s all turned to shit, with her as Joffrey’s toy to torment as a hated representative of the Stark family, who cannot help her at the moment. I’m wondering if Martin is going to give her Stockholm syndrome. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/176 "2012-05-01T16:31:41Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Sansa, poor thing. She had a real shot at the whole fairy-tale princess ride and took it, and now it’s all turned to shit, with her as Joffrey’s toy to torment as a hated representative of the Stark family, who cannot help her at the moment. I’m wondering if Martin is going to give her Stockholm syndrome. If anything, she’s got the reverse of Stockholm syndrome, as she initially sided with the Lannisters and rationalized whatever shit they’d been doing because Joffrey :swoon:. But now ? Even when one of them becomes genuinely sympathetic to her plight and tries to figure out where she’s at mentally, she answers what she’s been told to answer like a good little robot, but with just the hint of seething hatred underneath. If the situation lasts much longer, I reckon she’s going to become as bitter, hard and cold as poor Cersei. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567/177 "2012-05-01T17:14:22Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > If anything, she’s got the reverse of Stockholm syndrome, as she initially sided with the Lannisters and rationalized whatever shit they’d been doing because Joffrey :swoon:. But now ? Even when one of them becomes genuinely sympathetic to her plight and tries to figure out where she’s at mentally, she answers what she’s been told to answer like a good little robot, but with just the hint of seething hatred underneath. > If the situation lasts much longer, I reckon she’s going to become as bitter, hard and cold as poor Cersei. Well, she’s at least smart enough to realize that saying anything other than repeating the rote replies she’s been taught will get her tortured and/or killed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-04-garden-of-bones-4-22-no-book-spoilers/619567.md?page=8)