# Game of Thrones 2.06 "The Old Gods and the New" 5/6/12 No Book Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 6, 2012, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100 "2012-05-06T21:10:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/1 "2012-05-06T21:10:37Z")
[Episode 1: The North Remembers](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646369) [Episode 2: The Night Lands](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=647706) [Episode 3: What is Dead May Never Die](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=648459) [Episode 4: “Garden of Bones”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=649215) [Episode 5: The Ghosts of Harrenhall](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15015204) This is the thread for people who want to discuss the show without outside information that may spoil the story from either the books or other sources. Discussion about the current episodes and all previous episodes of the series requires no spoiler box. Which means that there should be no need for the use of any spoiler boxes in this thread. If you are looking for discussions where spoilers are acceptable, please visit the [season 2 closed spoiler](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646499) and [open spoiler](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646497) threads. Don’t argue about the spoiler rules in the thread, take it to the pit if necesary. **Gukamatz** has been moderating these threads because he’s more familiar with the source content than the other cafe society mods. This was his note in the OP of the first thread this season: > [@](#): > > **Moderator’s Amendment:** > > **Spoiler policy for this thread:** > > 1. **Anything** that has not yet been AIRED ON TV is not acceptable in this thread. (This includes webzines, DVD extra content, magazines, speculation based on unaired content and so on.) > 2. Any discussion, comparison or really anything related to the books the show is based on needs to go to the Closed Spoilers thread. (See below) > 3. We follow the US airing schedule. There is no “grace period” for letting the rest of the world catch up. (Like us Europeans, people who DVR the show, stream it later, etc, etc) > > This is in order to allow people who want to ask specific questions and receive specific answers regarding backstory or things they missed, be able to use this thread as a resource. For those who wants limited spoilers - for instance people who have read the books up unto a point but don’t want spoilers for the rest of the books - this is the place to be. Please report information which should not be in the open by using the Report Post tool. > > If you want to ask questions regarding backstory, discuss how the series reflect the books, speculate in the future based on unaired information or otherwise engage in a discussion in an enviroment in which posters are to use their best judgement to decide what is or is not a spoiler, please follow this thread: > [Game of Thrones Season 2 - CLOSED SPOILERS Discussion Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646499) > > For those who want to discuss in a **COMPLETELY** open-spoilers enviroment in which the books, the series, webzines and in short all the information available anywhere is valid and open for discussion, please follow this thread: > [Game of Thrones Season 2 - OPEN SPOILERS Discussion Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646497) > > Meta-discussion of the spoiler policy itself should happen in a separate ATMB thread if really necessary, though I invite people to PM me instead. > > With regards, > Gukumatz > Game Room & IMHO Moderator > Consulting Game of Thrones Moderator We left off last week with Arya close to Tywin Lannister without his knowledge, and she has a new murderfriend. Jon and friends are sending in a small squad to try to take out Mance Rayder (?) before his wildling army marches south. The Lannisters prepare to defend King’s Landing with wildfire. Dany gets an interesting marriage offer. Theon attempts to top the dick move his father assigned him with an even dickier dick move. We’ve had some slow movement in the season so far - a lot of setting up pieces - and I suspect things will start getting put into motion soon. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/2 "2012-05-06T23:01:25Z")
Actually Jon and the nightswatch guys were going to take out some lookouts so the rest of the Nightswatch could attack the main wildling army. Good guess on Mance’s spelling! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/3 "2012-05-06T23:07:48Z")
Just rewatched the scene. You’re right that they’re just sending a party to take out the lookouts, but the overall plan is to kill Rayder and his armies will scatter, rather than engage the army in open warfare. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/4 "2012-05-06T23:15:55Z")
Yeah, that makes more sense, i caught about a third of the dialogue in that scene. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/5 "2012-05-07T01:45:18Z")
I thought the episode called back to the scene in the first episode in which Ned Stark demonstrated the proper way to behead someone. Theon didn’t appear to have learned the lesson. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/6 "2012-05-07T02:05:29Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I thought the episode called back to the scene in the first episode in which Ned Stark demonstrated the proper way to behead someone. Theon didn’t appear to have learned the lesson. Yes, absolutely. I wonder how Dany gets her dragons back. Did she really just leave a handmaiden to guard them? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/7 "2012-05-07T02:11:07Z")
Poor Theon. If he wasn’t such a whoremongering, arrogant self-aggrandizing shitstain, he’d make a good Lordling. Another Joffrey smack! I LOVE Joffrey smacks. If Osha was going to kill somebody and sneak off, why didn’t she kill Theon? Although Tyrion’s line about cruel and stupid leaders was funny, I actually laughed out loud when that guy (I do not remember his name) dropped dead in front of Tywin. This show should be longer. It always ends to soon. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/8 "2012-05-07T02:12:27Z")
Not just a smack, but some poop to the face. And some Tonks full frontal. Overall a very satisfying episode. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/9 "2012-05-07T02:16:43Z")
Is it only me or does Halfhand look a lot like Patrick Stewart? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/10 "2012-05-07T02:36:05Z")
The actress that plays Sansa was 15 when that was filmed. Rough. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/11 "2012-05-07T02:37:34Z")
Did anyone catch what was on the letter Arya stole? i caught a few words only and i couldn’t pause it since i don’t watch it alone. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/12 "2012-05-07T04:01:52Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Did anyone catch what was on the letter Arya stole? i caught a few words only and i couldn’t pause it since i don’t watch it alone. Sumthin sumthin Robb Stark, location somewhere. Think the girl’s going to make a run for it. Baelish had to have sussed her out. I don’t remember if he ever met her though. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/13 "2012-05-07T07:21:52Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Did anyone catch what was on the letter Arya stole? i caught a few words only and i couldn’t pause it since i don’t watch it alone. Here’s the best I could make out: “Marching ten thousand west to… The Tooth. Estimate to reach you by week’s end… Rob Stark moving troops south by coast. Alert Sene(?)… Turn east at Silverhill.” The real pisser is deciphering what that crucial bit with the “?” is, it’s probably not “Sene…” at all. It seems like they intentionally made it hard to read and cut off the right side right there. The S could be a J, either or both of the e’s could be o’s, about the only thing I think I’m sure of is the “n” but who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/14 "2012-05-07T12:45:08Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > Sumthin sumthin Robb Stark, location somewhere. Think the girl’s going to make a run for it. Baelish had to have sussed her out. I don’t remember if he ever met her though. If she was going to make a run for it, she wouldn’t have needed to have whatsisface killed. I do wonder if Baelish sussed her out though. On the one hand he did seem distracted by her ; on the other hand no one ever really looks at a servant ; on the gripping hand this is Littlefinger, of course he’d watch servants closely. God but Theon is a whore. Sensibly won’t give Osha a weapon, but he’ll agree to sleep next to her ? That man is a life support apparatus for a cock. I must say I was very fond of Jon not understanding what his prisoner was trying to do to him. Cute kid. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/15 "2012-05-07T13:51:11Z")
As bundled up as they were whatever she was trying couldn’t have been very effective. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/16 "2012-05-07T14:21:25Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I must say I was very fond of Jon not understanding what his prisoner was trying to do to him. Cute kid. I thought he understood just fine, even through all those clothes. But I don’t get why he didn’t look for some kind of shelter, even if it was just a pile of rocks, to have something at their backs. I also thought the reason Halfhand left Jon alone with Ygritte was because he thought Jon wanted to have some fun before killing her. Why else would he leave them alone? He doesn’t know Jon well enough to know that Jon would be okay with killing a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/17 "2012-05-07T14:56:58Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > I also thought the reason Halfhand left Jon alone with Ygritte was because he thought Jon wanted to have some fun before killing her. Why else would he leave them alone? He doesn’t know Jon well enough to know that Jon would be okay with killing a woman. Really ? I thought Halfhand figured right quick that Jon didn’t have it in him (if only by how fast he jumped up and went “no, no, I’ll do it”). I figure his plan, if he has any, was to leave Jon alone with his compassion, trusting the Wildling woman to try and rip his throat out with her bare teeth the minute he let his guard down. This in order to teach him that yeah, you get to kill cute women in this job and you have to stomp on your own humane feelings, get the fuck over it newbie. A tough love, [del]sink[/del]get 'orribly murdered or swim kind of thing if you will. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/18 "2012-05-07T15:01:26Z")
That works too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/19 "2012-05-07T15:32:08Z")
All hail the return of sex and full-frontal nudity! Tonks tosses the totality of her togs and Jon Snow gets dry humped. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100/20 "2012-05-07T15:38:54Z")
I’m surprised that Cersei is so oblivious that she doesn’t believe that Tyrion has ever hand anything he loved taken from him. She’s so self-centered. And Jaime is dyslexic. I wonder whether that’s going to become relevant. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-06-the-old-gods-and-the-new-5-6-12-no-book-spoilers/621100.md?page=2)