# Game of Thrones 2.08 "The Prince of Winterfell" 5/20 No Book Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 20, 2012, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528 "2012-05-20T17:47:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2012, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/1 "2012-05-20T17:47:58Z")
[Episode 1: The North Remembers](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646369) [Episode 2: The Night Lands](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=647706) [Episode 3: What is Dead May Never Die](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=648459) [Episode 4: “Garden of Bones”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=649215) [Episode 5: The Ghosts of Harrenhall](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15015204) [Episode 6: The Old Gods and the New](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=650891) [Episode 7: A Man Without Honor](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=651640) This is the thread for people who want to discuss the show without outside information that may spoil the story from either the books or other sources. Discussion about the current episodes and all previous episodes of the series requires no spoiler box. Which means that there should be no need for the use of any spoiler boxes in this thread. If you are looking for discussions where spoilers are acceptable, please visit the [season 2 closed spoiler](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646499) and [open spoiler](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646497) threads. Don’t argue about the spoiler rules in the thread, take it to the pit if necesary. **Gukamatz** has been moderating these threads because he’s more familiar with the source content than the other cafe society mods. This was his note in the OP of the first thread this season: > [@](#): > > **Moderator’s Amendment:** > > **Spoiler policy for this thread:** > > 1. **Anything** that has not yet been AIRED ON TV is not acceptable in this thread. (This includes webzines, DVD extra content, magazines, speculation based on unaired content and so on.) > 2. Any discussion, comparison or really anything related to the books the show is based on needs to go to the Closed Spoilers thread. (See below) > 3. We follow the US airing schedule. There is no “grace period” for letting the rest of the world catch up. (Like us Europeans, people who DVR the show, stream it later, etc, etc) > > This is in order to allow people who want to ask specific questions and receive specific answers regarding backstory or things they missed, be able to use this thread as a resource. For those who wants limited spoilers - for instance people who have read the books up unto a point but don’t want spoilers for the rest of the books - this is the place to be. Please report information which should not be in the open by using the Report Post tool. > > If you want to ask questions regarding backstory, discuss how the series reflect the books, speculate in the future based on unaired information or otherwise engage in a discussion in an enviroment in which posters are to use their best judgement to decide what is or is not a spoiler, please follow this thread: > [Game of Thrones Season 2 - CLOSED SPOILERS Discussion Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646499) > > For those who want to discuss in a **COMPLETELY** open-spoilers enviroment in which the books, the series, webzines and in short all the information available anywhere is valid and open for discussion, please follow this thread: > [Game of Thrones Season 2 - OPEN SPOILERS Discussion Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646497) > > Meta-discussion of the spoiler policy itself should happen in a separate ATMB thread if really necessary, though I invite people to PM me instead. > > With regards, > Gukumatz > Game Room & IMHO Moderator > Consulting Game of Thrones Moderator We left off with some crispy children. Xaros Daxos Duha Dunebuggy Xerox and his creepy friend making a power play in Qarth. Jon may become de-virginized by a gang of blue balled wildlings, and Sansa may get something similar, only worse. Jaime tries desperately to talk his way into getting beaten to death. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/2 "2012-05-21T01:57:33Z")
“Where are the gods of tits and wine?” ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/3 "2012-05-21T02:02:11Z")
Oona Chaplin has a nice ass. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/4 "2012-05-21T02:06:40Z")
How many times did someone say the word “cunt” in this episode? I don’t understand why Dany needs whatshishump-- damn, forgot his name-- to take her to where Blue Lips said her dragons were? Arya should be the contender to the throne and not the whiny mother of dragons. See what being an exposition whore get you? And there’s no way Cercei even considered offing her son. I can see where her son gets it. I totally missed the scene between Stannis and Davos. What was said? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/5 "2012-05-21T02:10:13Z")
A recount of the siege of Storm’s End and Davos daring smuggling rescue, some sour grapes about Robert handing Storm’s End to Renly, and telling Davos he’ll be the hand of the king. ---
**Author:** ![Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swords_to_Plowshares)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/6 "2012-05-21T04:10:36Z")
I was hoping Dany would go to the House of the Undying this week, but all we got was a reminder that she really, really wants her dragons back and Jorah’s still stuck in the friend zone. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/7 "2012-05-21T04:43:52Z")
Only two episodes left this season, so start preparing for withdrawal. ☹ So, surely Brienne and Jamie are not headed towards Kings Landing, and that was only a ploy to throw them off their tail. But where are they going? Winterfell, like I guessed last week? Even further north, to The Wall? ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/8 "2012-05-21T04:44:27Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Oona Chaplin has a nice ass. Richard Madden, time to get with the program! Drop’em, sonny!:mad: ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/9 "2012-05-21T04:51:09Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Only two episodes left this season, so start preparing for withdrawal. ☹ > > So, surely Brienne and Jamie are not headed towards Kings Landing, and that was only a ploy to throw them off their tail. But where are they going? Winterfell, like I guessed last week? Even further north, to The Wall? (Replying to myself) Yeah, I know Jamie seems to think they _are_ going to KL, but I’d like to think that Cat isn’t that dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/10 "2012-05-21T06:20:08Z")
Did Cersei say Roz (that was Roz the Whore, right?) was wearing a lion’s head necklace? Why would she have one? Also, Theon gets more and more pathetic. When Big Sis told him that story about when he was a baby he looked like he was going to cry “somebody loves me”. I am looking forward to his comeuppance just so someone will put the poor bastard out of his misery. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/11 "2012-05-21T08:23:09Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > And there’s no way Cercei even considered offing her son. I can see where her son gets it. I’m going to restate what I said last week: No way in the world would Cersei ever approve of Joffrey’s death. …and also no way that Tyrion would order it. Joffrey falls in battle? Fine with Tyrion. Joff gets a sword in the back, Kingslayer-style? Not on Tyrion’s orders. Tyrion likes being Hand of the King, he likes being a Lannister, he craves the respect of his father and (maybe) his siblings. No way would he ruin all chance of _any_ of that _forever_ for the sake of killing his nephew. I just don’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/12 "2012-05-21T10:56:51Z")
> [@Wile\_E](#): > > Did Cersei say Roz (that was Roz the Whore, right?) was wearing a lion’s head necklace? Why would she have one? I think Tyrion gave it to her in season 1 episode 1. Theon comments on it when he fucks her, but I’d have to go rewatch to see if there’s a lion. I thought it was just a generic gold necklace. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/13 "2012-05-21T11:00:00Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > Did Cersei say Roz (that was Roz the Whore, right?) was wearing a lion’s head necklace? Why would she have one? Probably gave it to her to pay her to entertain Joffrey, or to apologize for what Joffrey put her through. * * * In other news, fuck Cat. Seriously, fuck her so very sideways. Also, poor, poor Ser Jorah. Unrequited love is always painful to watch. You could hear the heartstrings snap at the “they’re the only children I will ever have” :(. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/14 "2012-05-21T12:52:47Z")
Oh Peter Dinklage, now you went and made me cry! At first, I was like, “Come on, Tyrion, you can do better than that! Act flip and unconcerned. Make denigrating comments about how whores are fungible, and act like you mean it for Pete’s sake!” But then that scene with Shae really brought it home - she’s the first person he’s actually, truly loved in a long, long time. Meanwhile, what’s Roz’s deal? I would have liked a LOT more background on why she went along with the ruse, at the risk of her life! Having had Tyrion as a client isn’t enough, surely. If she protested that she’s not his main squeeze and they didn’t believe her, so she gave up, some indication of that would have been nice. Likewise if she has some deep devotion to him or Shae that motivates her. So let me take the opportunity to admit that I completely misread that scene last week where Tyrion mentioned Tommen and Marcella are decent people. Given this development, that protracted silence must have been Cersei thinking, “Shit, he’s totally going to let Joffrey get killed - must start plotting . . .” Arya is such a clever girl, she should be played by a velociraptor. Come to think of it, she’s equally dangerous, too. She’s already giving Cersei a run for her money in the cold and calculating department. Lucky for Westeros she’s on the side of good. > [@Kobal2](#): > > . . . > In other news, fuck Cat. Seriously, fuck her so very sideways. Yeah, couldn’t agree more. I was very happily surprised when Robb arrested her. No more rash unilateral actions that put the whole effing kingdom at risk, Mom! > [@](#): > > Also, poor, poor Ser Jorah. Unrequited love is always painful to watch. You could hear the heartstrings snap at the “they’re the only children I will ever have” :(. He did look upset, but when I heard that line I assumed that the death magic hadn’t just dragonized and killed her fetus, but also rendered her sterile. Did the witch mention anything along those lines? But I’m really tired of Dany’s story. Very tiresome. It’s neck and neck with the Robb/Talissa romance for inducing boredom. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/15 "2012-05-21T13:07:47Z")
Damn, I’d love to see Joffrey striding out by himself to confront Stannis. I know he’s cruel, but is he really that stupid? > [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > Meanwhile, what’s Roz’s deal? I would have liked a LOT more background on why she went along with the ruse, at the risk of her life! Having had Tyrion as a client isn’t enough, surely. If she protested that she’s not his main squeeze and they didn’t believe her, so she gave up, some indication of that would have been nice. My thought was that they never really bothered to fully inform Roz regarding why they were beating her, so there was no opportunity for her to say anything that would give Shae away. Roz has been working on and off with Tyrion. Perhaps, so far as she knows, she’s being held as a hostage for that reason alone. Of course, the conversation between Tyrion and Roz – “I hope I am not forgotten” – seems to indicate that they have some kind of explicit understanding. But I’m pretty sure that Cersei caught Tyrion off guard – until he saw Roz, he thought that Cersei really did have Shae. > [@](#): > > Yeah, couldn’t agree more. I was very happily surprised when Robb arrested her. Just because Cat is Ned’s widow and Robb’s mother, you kind of want her to be just as good and smart as them. But she’s really very selfish and tunnel-visioned. All she can think about is saving her children in the short term. I don’t know where the hell she told Brienne to take Jamie, but there’s no “safe” place either northward or southward. > [@](#): > > But I’m really tired of Dany’s story. Very tiresome. At least it doesn’t take up much screen time. > [@](#): > > It’s neck and neck with the Robb/Talissa romance for inducing boredom. I’ve been sticking with it, hoping for full frontal. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/16 "2012-05-21T13:16:05Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > (Replying to myself) > > Yeah, I know Jamie seems to think they _are_ going to KL, but I’d like to think that Cat isn’t that dumb. He’d have to go to KL for Cat to get her daughters back though, otherwise there is no point in freeing him. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/17 "2012-05-21T13:30:14Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > Yeah, couldn’t agree more. I was very happily surprised when Robb arrested her. No more rash unilateral actions that put the whole effing kingdom at risk, Mom! He’s headed for his own obviously terrible decisions though. I don’t know what they feed’em up North, but it doesn’t seem to beget much sense. Ned, Cat, Theon, Sansa, Robb, Jon… even Arya, as much as I love her. Each more slow witted than the other, although you got to hand it to Theon : he’s the fuckedest in the head by a mile. > [@](#): > > He did look upset, but when I heard that line I assumed that the death magic hadn’t just dragonized and killed her fetus, but also rendered her sterile. Did the witch mention anything along those lines? I took it as a direct “don’t get any ideas, boy” myself, coming either out of faithfulness to Drogo (i.e. “I’ve had the manliest motherfucker on this green Earth, I’m not settling for any less now”) or more likely out of DURN NEED CHILLUN GOT MAH DRAGUNS! You heard it here first: Dany is on her way to becoming a bona fide crazy cat lady. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/18 "2012-05-21T13:30:55Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > He’d have to go to KL for Cat to get her daughters back though, otherwise there is no point in freeing him. You don’t seriously think that Cat believes that Brienne can execute a prisoner exchange all by herself? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/19 "2012-05-21T13:56:08Z")
I don’t see what’s to execute, Cat was acting out on the offer Littlefinger brought from King’s Landing. It’s obviously foolish and almost guaranteed to be a trick but i thought the intent was clearly to get her daughters back i exchange for the Kingslayer. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2012, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528/20 "2012-05-21T13:58:17Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > My thought was that they never really bothered to fully inform Roz regarding why they were beating her, so there was no opportunity for her to say anything that would give Shae away. Roz has been working on and off with Tyrion. Perhaps, so far as she knows, she’s being held as a hostage for that reason alone. This seems plausible. Also, Roz is of such low status in that kingdom that they’d probably just kill her if she turns out to be the wrong whore. I did like the idea that Cersei and Tyrion were fighting with each other, at a time when they need to work together to plan the defense the castle. And she’s really pissed at him for what he did with her daughter, but didn’t he just send her away for her own safety? It wasn’t like he’s killed her or is holding her prisoner. Presumably the castle defense is going to mostly rely upon those thousands of jars of wildfire (which I assume is similar to Greek fire). But they’ll need a delivery mechanism for it, so I was surprised not to see catapults or trebuchets being built. Perhaps they can use archers to deliver it? And as for Dany, she’s really irrelevant until those dragons are fully grown. And she’s completely irrelevant if she doesn’t possess them by then. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-08-the-prince-of-winterfell-5-20-no-book-spoilers/622528.md?page=2)