# Game of Thrones 2.09 "Blackwater" 5/27/12 No Book Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 27, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266 "2012-05-27T18:36:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/1 "2012-05-27T18:36:54Z")
[Episode 1: The North Remembers](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646369) [Episode 2: The Night Lands](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=647706) [Episode 3: What is Dead May Never Die](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=648459) [Episode 4: “Garden of Bones”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=649215) [Episode 5: The Ghosts of Harrenhall](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15015204) [Episode 6: The Old Gods and the New](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=650891) [Episode 7: A Man Without Honor](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=651640) [Episode 8: The Prince of Winterfell](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=652444) This is the thread for people who want to discuss the show without outside information that may spoil the story from either the books or other sources. Discussion about the current episodes and all previous episodes of the series requires no spoiler box. Which means that there should be no need for the use of any spoiler boxes in this thread. If you are looking for discussions where spoilers are acceptable, please visit the [season 2 closed spoiler](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646499) and [open spoiler](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=646497) threads. Don’t argue about the spoiler rules in the thread, take it to the pit if necesary. **Gukamatz** has been moderating these threads because he’s more familiar with the source content than the other cafe society mods. This was his note in the OP of the first thread this season: > [@](#): > > Moderator’s Amendment: > > Spoiler policy for this thread: > > 1. Anything that has not yet been AIRED ON TV is not acceptable in this thread. (This includes webzines, DVD extra content, magazines, speculation based on unaired content and so on.) > 2. Any discussion, comparison or really anything related to the books the show is based on needs to go to the Closed Spoilers thread. (See below) > 3. We follow the US airing schedule. There is no “grace period” for letting the rest of the world catch up. (Like us Europeans, people who DVR the show, stream it later, etc, etc) > > This is in order to allow people who want to ask specific questions and receive specific answers regarding backstory or things they missed, be able to use this thread as a resource. For those who wants limited spoilers - for instance people who have read the books up unto a point but don’t want spoilers for the rest of the books - this is the place to be. Please report information which should not be in the open by using the Report Post tool. > > If you want to ask questions regarding backstory, discuss how the series reflect the books, speculate in the future based on unaired information or otherwise engage in a discussion in an enviroment in which posters are to use their best judgement to decide what is or is not a spoiler, please follow this thread: > Game of Thrones Season 2 - CLOSED SPOILERS Discussion Thread > > For those who want to discuss in a COMPLETELY open-spoilers enviroment in which the books, the series, webzines and in short all the information available anywhere is valid and open for discussion, please follow this thread: > Game of Thrones Season 2 - OPEN SPOILERS Discussion Thread > > Meta-discussion of the spoiler policy itself should happen in a separate ATMB thread if really necessary, though I invite people to PM me instead. > > With regards, > Gukumatz > Game Room & IMHO Moderator > Consulting Game of Thrones Moderator Stannis’ fleet nears Kings Landing. Yara leaves Winterfell with her men, leaving Theon alone. Dany yells demands. Tywin Lannister marches against Robb Stark. Arya and friends escape Harrenhall. Ros continues a mysterious streak of not being naked. We’ve had a lot of slow moving episodes this season, but I suspect this is where shit starts to hit the fan. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/2 "2012-05-28T02:02:00Z")
That was the best one yet. Did Tywin deliberately mislead Arya about going to attack Robb, when he really was headed to King’s Landing? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/3 "2012-05-28T02:06:25Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > That was the best one yet. Did Tywin deliberately mislead Arya about going to attack Robb, when he really was headed to King’s Landing? I’m pretty sure he didn’t say anything about attacking Robb. That was pretty intense. I thought some of the violence was comically over the top, but other than that, whoa. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/4 "2012-05-28T02:07:09Z")
I seriously doubt he would have left her there if he knew who she was. I loved this episode, i loved the battle but i can’t help but wishing i could be watching the show they would have made if they had the budget they wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/5 "2012-05-28T02:20:22Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I seriously doubt he would have left her there if he knew who she was. I don’t he knew who she was, only that she was a spy for someone. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/6 "2012-05-28T02:20:58Z")
I am gay for Tyrion Lannister. (ok, I’m bisexual anyway.) But that speech! I got some applause going in the bar I go to watch for that one. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/7 "2012-05-28T02:22:06Z")
So who was the knight that tried to kill Tyrion? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/8 "2012-05-28T02:22:10Z")
“If they call me half man what does that make you lot?” freaking awesome. Edit: one of the kingsguard members Joffrey left with him. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/9 "2012-05-28T02:47:58Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So who was the knight that tried to kill Tyrion? He was named dropped in the previous episode. Ser Mandon Moore. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/10 "2012-05-28T02:50:54Z")
So was he acting on Joffrey’s order, or someone else’s? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/11 "2012-05-28T02:51:37Z")
That battle actually made me like Stannis, and his main quality is being unlikeable. Edit: you are just asking for spoilers now. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/12 "2012-05-28T02:55:22Z")
“If you die with a clean sword, I’ll rape your fucking corpse.” The Hound is awesome. The battle scenes did seem too small in scope, but the wildfire explosion was very cool. So… Tyrion is dead? I couldn’t really tell how badly he was injured. At first it looked like he just got cut across the face, but maybe it went deeper than I thought. Or maybe he just passed out and isn’t dead. Aaaahh, I will not read the spoiler thread, I will not read the spoiler thread… The scenes with Cersei and Sansa and Shea were good. Cersei’s crazy-but-controlled wickedness made for some tense scenes. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/13 "2012-05-28T03:01:02Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > The battle scenes did seem too small in scope, but the wildfire explosion was very cool. I was a bit shocked that Stannis had anything left to attack with, much less win the battle with, after that. Anyone care to explain? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/14 "2012-05-28T03:02:34Z")
> [@LawMonkey](#): > > I was a bit shocked that Stannis had anything left to attack with, much less win the battle with, after that. Anyone care to explain? Basically he had lots of boats, and lots of men. They didn’t all get blowed up. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/15 "2012-05-28T03:04:42Z")
I think Lancel’s claim that they burned hundreds of ships was a bit of an exaggeration, they blew up and burned plenty of them but not hundreds and nowhere near all Stannis had. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/16 "2012-05-28T03:06:04Z")
I was surprised Tyrion put all the wildfire in one boat. He seemed a bit surprised by the size of the explosion; he looked at the maester, who gave him a little grin. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/17 "2012-05-28T03:09:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Basically he had lots of boats, and lots of men. They didn’t all get blowed up. OK. Not terribly well shown in the show, then, or at least I didn’t pick up on it. That said, I watch at a bar (as mentioned), and the TVs are… not really optimal for a dark show like GoT. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/18 "2012-05-28T03:11:19Z")
The best moment of an episode full of great moments was wordless. As the bay burned with wildfire and men died screaming, the Hound looked terrified, Tyrion looked like a combination of proud and sick, and Jofffrey and the pyromancer were grinning. Such great acting without a single mouth opening. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/19 "2012-05-28T03:15:00Z")
The wildfire explosion was fantastic. I was a bit confused, though. Did the Lancel bring Joffrey back? If not, where was Joffrey? If he did, why did Cercei hit him in his wound? Best line: But you were the king’s sworn love As you will be Joffrey’s. Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/20 "2012-05-28T03:17:37Z")
Lancel brought Joffrey back to his quarters like the Queen ordered, he wanted to bring him back out to the battle when Cersei hit him. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266.md?page=2)