# Game of Thrones 2.09 "Blackwater" 5/27/12 No Book Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 27, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266 "2012-05-27T18:36:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/101 "2012-05-29T17:15:35Z")
Half-man! Half-man! Half-man! Half-man! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/102 "2012-05-29T17:16:09Z")
Yeah, Tyrion figuring out he’d assault the mud gate ended up not having any actual value. you’d think they’d have a boiling oil type trap waiting there. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/103 "2012-05-29T17:18:40Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Bronn: “Enhances it, really.” “Enhances?” Fancy word for a common sellsword. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/104 "2012-05-29T17:19:44Z")
[This cracked me up.](http://weknowawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/pimp-imp-tyrion-lannister-GOT.jpg) I wonder if it’s real and if it is, who did it and where was it done. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/105 "2012-05-29T17:21:48Z")
Heh. Littlefinger is the pimp, though… ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/106 "2012-05-29T17:33:51Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Was I the only one who got really excited when they realized that the whole episode would be at King’s Landing? > I knew a big battle was coming, but I didn’t realize that it would be the whole freaking episode. I was pleased they showed some actual fighting and didn’t take the road to _Rome_, where it was always “here we are headed into battle!”… “and here we are coming back, war’s over!” ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/107 "2012-05-29T17:41:59Z")
Can someone remind what Robb’s plans are at this time? If I recall he sent a small contingent to Winterfell to take it back, but what is he doing with the rest of his force? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/108 "2012-05-29T17:44:42Z")
He’s basically going around the Lannister lands killing their guys and taking over their castles, he just went to the Crag to accept their surrender an episode ago. Pretty much the same thing the Ironmen are doing in the north. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/109 "2012-05-29T17:46:22Z")
Robb didn’t send a contingent from his army to winterfell - Bolton’s son is raising an army back up north to retake the castle. Tyrion mentions around Arya that they believe he’s sent back a force, but I think that’s to trick the viewer (and possibly Arya, if he thinks she’s a spy) into thinking Tyrion is going to attack Robb when he was actually moving south. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/110 "2012-05-29T17:51:21Z")
Tywin. Not Tyrion. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/111 "2012-05-29T17:54:09Z")
Yes, woops. Tywin thought that perhaps Arya could get information to Robb, so he fed her misinformation about moving to attack him by giving Robb the impression that the Lannisters thought he was weak. That way Robb stays in place to defend, instead of scouting out and realizing the Lannister army is gone and taking advantage of the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/112 "2012-05-29T18:03:00Z")
But Arya really didn’t have any way to get information to Robb, did she? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/113 "2012-05-29T18:03:34Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Since Tyrion had figured out that Stannis would be going for the Mud Gate, why not have more dragonfire on the beach there (carefully apportioned and placed so as not to endanger the city walls), ignited when the invaders came ashore? > > ." Well, Greek fire was not that useful against troops on land being employed mainly against ships at sea and secondly, they did use it IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/114 "2012-05-29T18:09:30Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I was pleased they showed some actual fighting and didn’t take the road to _Rome_, where it was always “here we are headed into battle!”… “and here we are coming back, war’s over!” To be fair, that was only in the first season. I think the second season battle scenes were at least as good as the 2nd season ones in _GoT_. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/115 "2012-05-29T18:16:36Z")
Coming soon, a social network GOT game: [http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/05/28/game-thrones-facebook-game?hpt=hp\_c2](http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/05/28/game-thrones-facebook-game?hpt=hp_c2) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/116 "2012-05-29T18:21:33Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Heh. Littlefinger is the pimp, though… But Tyrion’s the one who keeps his pimp hand strong. [QUOTE=Gangster Octopus] Can someone remind what Robb’s plans are at this time? If I recall he sent a small contingent to Winterfell to take it back, but what is he doing with the rest of his force? [/QUOTE] We do _not_ sit on Robb’s war council. And if we did, we would not share his strategies with _you_. Joke aside, I’m not sure it’s been shown - Talisa kept interrupting the proceedings for some quality coy time. But IIRC Tywin was of the opinion that he would try and march on Lannisport/Casterly Rock (which is much closer to Winterfell than Harrenhal or King’s Landing, and is pretty much the Lannisters’ money pump) without waiting for his Winterfell contingent to come back. Or at least that he was cocky enough to try. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/117 "2012-05-29T18:21:57Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > [This cracked me up.](http://weknowawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/pimp-imp-tyrion-lannister-GOT.jpg) I wonder if it’s real and if it is, who did it and where was it done. I don’t know if it’s real, but it’s on [Herbrand Street, Camden, London UK.](http://www.ghostsigns.co.uk/2008/05/herbrand-street-mural.html) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/118 "2012-05-29T18:34:05Z")
> [@Sarabellum1976](#): > > Not to mention Arya, who’d rather practice archery and swordplay… Someone on another forum said that Cersei is more or less Arya, if Arya had been forced to be Sansa. I think there’s a lot of truth to that - she’s obviously very bitter of the fact that, even though she’s the very most powerful woman in the realm and can’t possibly go any higher or aspire to anything better, she still doesn’t get to do anything or wield any real power. Can’t slay dragons, can’t lead the men, can’t take decisions, can’t live her love life openly, can’t even choose who her children are going to marry. All she gets to do is be the nanny to the airheaded bimbos of the court. Do what she’s told to. By a _dwarf_. Talk about a glass ceiling. ---
**Author:** ![Sarabellum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarabellum/32/3492_2.png) [@Sarabellum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarabellum)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/119 "2012-05-29T18:58:15Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Someone on another forum said that Cersei is more or less Arya, if Arya had been forced to be Sansa. I think there’s a lot of truth to that - she’s obviously very bitter of the fact that, even though she’s the very most powerful woman in the realm and can’t possibly go any higher or aspire to anything better, she still doesn’t get to do anything or wield any real power. Can’t slay dragons, can’t lead the men, can’t take decisions, can’t live her love life openly, can’t even choose who her children are going to marry. > > All she gets to do is be the nanny to the airheaded bimbos of the court. Do what she’s told to. By a _dwarf_. > Talk about a glass ceiling. I kind of view Cersei as someone who aspires to POWER, not necessarily the opportunity to do the same things the boys do. Except drinking, of course. Mind you, I think Arya is going to be Royally. Pissed. Off. when she discovers that Catelyn has arranged her marriage. And particularly if Robb should decide to welch on his brethothal (and it sure seems like he has) it’ll be all the more important that Arya lives up to hers. Should make for some nice teenage angst for Arya if and when she ever gets reunited with Mama Stark and Robb. “Nice to see you again, little sis, would you please put on this sparkly white dress and head down the aisle with this foul-looking total stranger whose bridge we crossed?” Seems to me that Robb would find out firsthand why it was a bad idea to let Arya get trained up in swordplay, in short order. Also, it’s becoming more and more clear to me that Sansa will never marry Joffrey now. There’s just no sense in marrying him off to someone who’s practically a nobody/political prisoner/orphan - it’s not like she has money or lands of her own, or petrified dragon eggs. She’s the daughter of the guy who was Hand of the King (two Hands ago) and hasn’t done anything special or important on her own to make her worthy of being Queen of the whole country. She doesn’t even have her groovy pet direwolf like the other Stark kids do. Cool Points lost forever. Her brother is one of the King’s mortal enemies, he and her mother have kidnapped and held for ransom two of her uncles - and what is there really to be gained from this “political” marriage, at this point? It’s also very clear that Joffrey and Sansa despise one another. And he’s such a hateful little creep, it’s hard to imagine what girl could have enough bad karma to deserve HIM as a husband. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266/120 "2012-05-29T19:19:31Z")
> [@Sarabellum1976](#): > > And particularly if Robb should decide to welch on his brethothal (and it sure seems like he has Why? Just because he has a lover now? In a world in which noblemen have as many mistresses as they like? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-09-blackwater-5-27-12-no-book-spoilers/623266.md?page=7)