# Game of Thrones 2.10 "Valar Morghulis" 6/3/12 No Book Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 4, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987 "2012-06-04T02:08:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/201 "2012-06-08T18:08:46Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > One difference was that the White Walkers were riding horses, gesturing, and making some noise. A zombie minion wouldn’t know what to do with a horse. The one we saw most clearly showed some purpose – he wasn’t just shambling ahead. I watched it again and I’m still not sure. The one on the horse was some kind of leader so it would make sense that he shows more purpose. If the zombies are possessed in some way maybe it’s just less work for whoever controls them if they’re kind of shuffling and vacant. There was one other on a horse and you only saw the back of that one but it looked more like the average zombies in terms of its clothes. Also the horse appears to be a zombie horse too, but it can obviously follow commands which seems to negate the idea that zombies would be incapable of controlling a horse. I can easily see any of these things being explained by oversight, the rule of cool or just “it’s magic”, though. I’m just not sure. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/202 "2012-06-10T03:59:06Z")
So, a lot happened this season, but not all that much changed. The Lannisters hold King’s Landing and the throne. Robb is winning in the North. Dany is on the other side of the world, with only a few followers. There’s a threat of White Walkers from the North. Stannis is a rather peripheral threat. Renly died, the Tyrells are allied with the Lannisters, Winterfell is burned down - but compared to the first season, this one didn’t move too much. Most of the major pieces are roughly in the same place they were before. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/203 "2012-06-10T05:43:33Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > So, a lot happened this season, but not all that much changed. > > The Lannisters hold King’s Landing and the throne. > Robb is winning in the North. > Dany is on the other side of the world, with only a few followers. > There’s a threat of White Walkers from the North. > Stannis is a rather peripheral threat. > > Renly died, the Tyrells are allied with the Lannisters, Winterfell is burned down - but compared to the first season, this one didn’t move too much. Most of the major pieces are roughly in the same place they were before. The season began and ended in the same place. But in between there was a lot of action. Tyrion woukd disagree that Stannis was a peripheral threat for instance. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/204 "2012-06-10T06:13:04Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > So, a lot happened this season, but not all that much changed. > > The Lannisters hold King’s Landing and the throne. > Robb is winning in the North. > Dany is on the other side of the world, with only a few followers. > There’s a threat of White Walkers from the North. > Stannis is a rather peripheral threat. > > Renly died, the Tyrells are allied with the Lannisters, Winterfell is burned down - but compared to the first season, this one didn’t move too much. Most of the major pieces are roughly in the same place they were before. Yes and no. Here are characters who are in VERY different places than they were at the end of last season: -Jon -Arya -Bran/Rickon/Hodor/Osha -Theon -Renly -Tyrion (arguable I guess) Somewhat different: -Dany -Robb (married) -Catelyn -Jaime -The Hound Introduced this season: -Brienne -Stannis/Davos/Melisandre Fairly similar to where they were end of last season: -Sansa -Cersei -Joffrey -Littlefinger -Varys -Tywin So the people for whom the situation is most changed are those in King’s Landing. And to a certain extent, you could say the same thing about, say, the hobbits in Lord of the Rings. They started in the shire, they ended in the shire. In their case, they had a huge-ass battle, and they won, and in winning they won the right to continue to do what they had been doing. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/205 "2012-06-10T15:13:26Z")
Apropos of nothing, does anyone else hear ‘Valar Morghulis’ and think ‘[Chuckie Margolis](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAeflCEBwHo)’? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/206 "2012-06-10T20:46:01Z")
Nope 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/207 "2012-06-11T03:56:02Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Y= > Introduced this season: > -Brienne > -Stannis/Davos/Melisandre > . I think we should be adding that wildling chick to the list as well. Declan ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/208 "2012-06-11T04:07:08Z")
Osha has been around since the middle of the first season. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/209 "2012-06-11T04:34:30Z")
I think Declan was referring to Ygritte, the red-headed Wildling woman with a thing for Jon Snow. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/210 "2012-06-11T04:35:03Z")
Ah, right. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/211 "2012-06-11T04:36:14Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Osha has been around since the middle of the first season. Well, there’s the other one, the red head who Jon didn’t kill. Ygritte if I’m not misremembering. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/212 "2012-06-11T13:25:43Z")
I think the biggest change is that at the end of last season the Lannisters were on the ropes and surrounded by enemies. Now Renly is gone, Stannis was crushed, and Robb lost his most valuable prisoner,pissed off the Freys and Karstarks and lost Winterfell. Not to mention they gained the Tyrells as allies and possibly Dorne through Myrcellas marriage pact. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/213 "2012-06-11T15:51:26Z")
Another change (albeit minor) is that there’s no longer a Dothraki threat. Admittedly, they were only a threat because of Dany’s ambition, but the Dothraki culture was an interesting change. Will the Dothraki be players again, or did that end forever when Dany left? ETA: And for S2 changes, should we add the Jaqen and the Faceless Men? Did Syrio ever refer to himself as a Faceless Man? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/214 "2012-06-11T16:12:23Z")
No, he was a “dancing master.” I don’t think Syrio is an assassin. He’s just an expert swordsman. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/215 "2012-06-11T17:44:05Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > No, he was a “dancing master.” I don’t think Syrio is an assassin. He’s just an expert swordsman. So Arya’s comment about Syrio being from Braavos doesn’t mean anything? I’ve been hoping we’ll see him again, since we didn’t see him die in S1. From another board, a fan bemoaning the lack of a new GoT episode: “Tonight is dull, and full of tedium.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/216 "2012-06-11T17:48:09Z")
It means he’s from Braavos? I don’t see why being from the same city is significant. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/217 "2012-06-11T17:56:40Z")
It probably isn’t significant, but out of all the things that Arya could have said in her last meeting with Jaqen, it seemed like it might have meant something. Both Syrio and Jaqen helped Arya. Also, on another board, there’s been speculation that Syrio was a Faceless Man, and even some spec that Jaqen was Syrio. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/218 "2012-06-11T18:40:51Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Also, on another board, there’s been speculation that Syrio was a Faceless Man, and even some spec that Jaqen was Syrio. Oooh, I like that! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/219 "2012-06-11T18:44:09Z")
If Syrio was a faceless man and as badass as Jaqen then Meryn Trant would be dead. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2012, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987/220 "2012-06-11T19:22:32Z")
Besides Syrio was short and chubby, “faceless man” implies face changing which was all Jaqen was shown doing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-2-10-valar-morghulis-6-3-12-no-book-spoilers/623987.md?page=12)