# Game of Thrones 3.02 "Dark Wings, Dark Words" 4/7/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 7, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-02-dark-wings-dark-words-4-7-13-no-book-spoilers/655093 "2013-04-07T19:50:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-02-dark-wings-dark-words-4-7-13-no-book-spoilers/655093/81 "2013-04-12T11:17:57Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > This episode as a [facebook page](http://www.happyplace.com/23035/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-2) Now, that’s funny. Hodor. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-02-dark-wings-dark-words-4-7-13-no-book-spoilers/655093/82 "2013-04-12T20:04:10Z")
Thanks for the link, **SB**! Yeticus Rex likes Hodor’s political views. ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-02-dark-wings-dark-words-4-7-13-no-book-spoilers/655093/83 "2013-04-12T20:39:43Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Thanks for the link, **SB**! > > Yeticus Rex likes Hodor’s political views. Summer the Direwolf likes this. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-02-dark-wings-dark-words-4-7-13-no-book-spoilers/655093/84 "2013-04-12T22:38:49Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Overall great epsiode. (Lady Olenna is perfection. I think the Tyrells may be my favorite House. Every scene with Margaery makes me cheer a bit.) > > One thing I didn’t love was Joffrey adding “homophobic bigot” to his long list of unpleasant character traits. Do we really need yet another blinking light over his head saying “EVIL”? What’s next, concentration camps?.. Didn’t know one could Godwinize a GoT thread … ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-02-dark-wings-dark-words-4-7-13-no-book-spoilers/655093/85 "2013-04-12T23:19:17Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > Didn’t know one could Godwinize a GoT thread … Hodor. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-02-dark-wings-dark-words-4-7-13-no-book-spoilers/655093/86 "2013-04-12T23:28:28Z")
“If you think homosexual conduct should be illegal, you’re like this guy.” Pretty smart equating those views with one of the most hated character on television. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-02-dark-wings-dark-words-4-7-13-no-book-spoilers/655093/87 "2013-04-12T23:36:07Z")
You know who else hated the gays? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-02-dark-wings-dark-words-4-7-13-no-book-spoilers/655093/88 "2013-04-13T00:13:26Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > This episode as a [facebook page](http://www.happyplace.com/23035/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-2) That’s awesome! ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-02-dark-wings-dark-words-4-7-13-no-book-spoilers/655093/89 "2013-04-16T18:29:20Z")
I continue to be bored to death by Daenarys and Bran Stark. I can’t stand the whole Stark/Reed plotline actually. But I have a little theory that it’s going to end up being very important. I’m going to go ahead and spoiler box my next comment but I want to make clear that its _not a spoiler_. It’s pure speculation. My theory is that the Wall is going to fall before the end of the series. I mean, it has to, because we’ve spent so much time being told how important it is to protecting the Realms of Men or whatever they’re calling it. So the Wall’s going to go down, and the White Walkers and their minions are going to move south unimpeded. At this point, whatever Bran ends up doing in the north with the Reeds is the only thing that will save Westeros. If anything can save Westeros. It’s entirely possible that the entire civilization is going to fall. > [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > She’s said 5 words to Jon in the TV show. If that’s going out of her way to be a hateful bitch to him at every opportunity, then I guess she’s constantly been a hateful bitch to him for 17 years. Television speaks in shorthand. I think it’s pretty clear that to the extent that Jon had a shitty childhood, it’s because Catelyn made it shitty. > [@msmith537](#): > > Margaery, Tyrion, Varys and Littlefinger are really the only ones who are shown to have any intellect. The rest are pretty dumb. But I suspect that if you can wield a sword, you don’t need to be particularly bright in Westeros. > [@Skammer](#): > > I was going to disagree with you but I couldn’t come up with any counterexamples. Not so much in book-smarts (although only Sam or some maesters would come close to Tyrion in that area), but those four are on their own plane in terms of policital strategy and manipulation. > [@clairobscur](#): > > I don’t really agree. There are plenty of characters who seem quite bright to me : Arya, Bran, the deceased maester, the knight who serves Daenerys, Tywin Lannister, possibly Bolton, Theon’s sister, the commander of the Night Watch, the admiral who serves Stannis, the fire priestess, Margaery’s grandmother, and I probably forgot some Yeah, I was going to say that Tywin is smart, eeevil smart. And Cersei certainly thinks of herself as a genius. > [@gonzoron](#): > > One thing I didn’t love was Joffrey adding “homophobic bigot” to his long list of unpleasant character traits. Do we really need yet another blinking light over his head saying “EVIL”? What’s next, concentration camps? “I don’t like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps.” > [@](#): > > The Brienne/Jaime fight gave me a little thrill, as a fan of Highlander. Every hour of drama should really have a few minutes of well-choreographed swordplay at the end. There can be only one! 🙂 Actually, the swordplay is one part that doesn’t impress me about the show. I recall seeing a swordfight … was it one involving Jon Snow? … in which it looked like the participants could barely keep their swords up, with the pointy ends always in danger of dragging in the dirt. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2013, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-02-dark-wings-dark-words-4-7-13-no-book-spoilers/655093/90 "2013-04-16T19:00:16Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Actually, the swordplay is one part that doesn’t impress me about the show. I recall seeing a swordfight … was it one involving Jon Snow? … in which it looked like the participants could barely keep their swords up, with the pointy ends always in danger of dragging in the dirt. Yeah, on the whole, the swordfights are kinda disappointing. Which is why that one with Jaime and Brienne stood out as an unusually good one, I thought. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-02-dark-wings-dark-words-4-7-13-no-book-spoilers/655093.md?page=4)