# Game of Thrones 3.05 "Kissed by Fire" 4/28/13 No spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 29, 2013, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979 "2013-04-29T02:37:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/41 "2013-04-29T15:21:34Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I might be misremembering this but didn’t Selmy sit in the small council in season 1, contrary to what he told Jorah this episode? I don’t remember either, but probably. I don’t trust that guy. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/42 "2013-04-29T15:22:40Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I think Jamie’s also in the “I hurt myself today to see if I could feel” stage. He’s a maimed warrior and the pain probably makes him feel alive. (It’s not like he could do a whole lot to stop Qyburn from taking the whole arm if he was really insistent, not if Qyburn called one man to help.) I was wondering if it was situation reasons for not wanting the drugs, or if he’s just the type of guy that doesn’t put that shit in his body. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/43 "2013-04-29T15:55:07Z")
Mistrust of the defrocked Maester does seem like a sensible reason to turn down incapacitating drugs. Looks like decapitation scenes are a good measure of character. Ned is the ideal; he does his duty skillfully and because it is necessary, not out malice or vegeance. The only knock against him is that he fails to take the deserter’s story seriously. Robb does it himself, unlike Joffrey, and does it properly, unlike Theon. He doesn’t act impulsively, unlike both of those guys. While he’s got reasonably good grounds for it (unlike Theon), he does ignore good advice that would probably save a lot of trouble in the long run, like Joffrey. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/44 "2013-04-29T16:02:37Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > While he’s got reasonably good grounds for it (unlike Theon), he does ignore good advice that would probably save a lot of trouble in the long run, like Joffrey. By the way - just so’s I get it: We see a couple of kids killed; it is quickly revealed that they were killed against the orders of Robb and compromise him a bit (??) and so he must apply brutal justice. But in doing so, he alienates a big chunk of his armed forces who are part of that Clan’s structure. I am sure there are a couple of glaringly obvious plot twists or implications that I have missed. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/45 "2013-04-29T16:07:31Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > By the way - just so’s I get it: We see a couple of kids killed; it is quickly revealed that they were killed against the orders of Robb and compromise him a bit (??) and so he must apply brutal justice. But in doing so, he alienates a big chunk of his armed forces who are part of that Clan’s structure. It was insubordination and cold-blooded murder of unarmed children, so he had to set a very strong example. Though I’d have done with a couple of hangings and then publicly sentencing Karstark and whoever didn’t hang to death, then commute the sentence to being hostages until such time as they can be sent to The Wall (currently not so much an option). ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/46 "2013-04-29T16:08:54Z")
They were two captured Lannisters. Rickard Karstark lost both his sons during the war to Lannisters, I think both of them to Jamie actually. At least one specifically to Jamie during his escape attempt, and another during the battle were he was captured. He saw Cat freeing Jamie as denying him his just vengeance and crippling to the war effort. I imagine he thought they were fucked already and had to take whatever revenge he could, by killing prisoners. ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/47 "2013-04-29T16:13:10Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Jaime refused milk of the poppy when it was offered before treatment of his injury. Is he just so bummed out that he doesn’t care? Did they give an explanation that I missed? Thank you for clarifying that for me. I heard “milk of the puppy” and was totally confused. I’m such an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/48 "2013-04-29T16:23:45Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > They were two captured Lannisters. Rickard Karstark lost both his sons during the war to Lannisters, I think both of them to Jamie actually. At least one specifically to Jamie during his escape attempt, and another during the battle were he was captured. He saw Cat freeing Jamie as denying him his just vengeance and crippling to the war effort. I imagine he thought they were fucked already and had to take whatever revenge he could, by killing prisoners. Would Robb have executed Rickard if the guy hadn’t mocked him with the “He’s going to give me a stern talking to and then let me go” bit? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/49 "2013-04-29T16:29:25Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Would Robb have executed Rickard if the guy hadn’t mocked him with the “He’s going to give me a stern talking to and then let me go” bit? That is actually a good question. I don’t know, he might have been more open to reason i assume. He could’ve held him hostage like EVERYONE told him, and then sent him to the Wall afterwards, which frankly would have been fair enough in my book. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/50 "2013-04-29T16:31:47Z")
Apparently the Lord of Light is a real thing, being as how that guy keeps using him/her to bring back his colleague from the dead. Does this mean Stannis is indeed destined to sit on the Iron Throne? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/51 "2013-04-29T16:34:56Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Would Robb have executed Rickard if the guy hadn’t mocked him with the “He’s going to give me a stern talking to and then let me go” bit? Yeah, that’s sort of like the “you don’t have the guts to shoot me!” things that villains do in movies. Well, shit, I may not have before, but now that you dared me… ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/52 "2013-04-29T16:34:56Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Apparently the Lord of Light is a real thing, being as how that guy keeps using him/her to bring back his colleague from the dead. Does this mean Stannis is indeed destined to sit on the Iron Throne? Possibly, though something tells me he’s more of a pawn in a bigger game being played by this Lord of Light. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/53 "2013-04-29T16:35:02Z")
The lord of light saved Melisandre from poison and made a shadow baby. I’d totally worship the lord of light if i lived in westeros, he gets shit done like Joe Pesci. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/54 "2013-04-29T16:40:27Z")
The past few posts have been helpful; thank you. I hadn’t fully appreciated how the murders were of kids already imprisoned and therefore a simple, blatent revenge grab that ran counter to Robb. The further mock was a bridge even further too far. I find it hard to keep each plots’ ambiguities in place - it’s okay to not yet know X, but you better make sense of P, Q and R - all of which make X all the more important to learn. So sometimes twists slip past me, and when they are referenced, I can’t recall if we are supposed to know it, or supposed what they are referencing or _not_ know it… ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Just\_Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Ed)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/55 "2013-04-29T16:49:11Z")
> [@Kasper1014](#): > > The little princess who was locked in the tower, with what appears to be scales on her face…what do you think her story is going to be? Any relation to the Targaryans? > [@Reverse](#): > > She’s Stannis’ and Selyse’s daughter, the only living child she has given him. Her relation to the Targaryens is the same as any other Baratheon’s. > [@Munch](#): > > Stannis is a Baratheon. Us TV-only viewers have absolutely no idea what family the mother comes from, it could very well be Targaryen as far as we know. If Stannis was married to a Targaryen, wouldn’t you think Viserys and Dany would have known they not only had surviving kin, but _in the royal family_ back in Westeros? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/56 "2013-04-29T17:10:53Z")
Cercei has the worst luck in husbands, a philanderer and a homosexual. What is Dany going to do now? She has gone from basically a sex toy to the most powerful woman in her region. Is she going to be, i).spoiling the Lannister’s wedding season? ii) making some housecalls to some of the other Khalasars? iii) something awesome? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/57 "2013-04-29T17:21:57Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Cercei has the worst luck in husbands, a philanderer and a homosexual. I think drunk Cersei and Loras would totally get along. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/58 "2013-04-29T17:41:27Z")
First episode of the season, Melissandre talked about precious Baratheon fluids from someone else. And then she talked to his wife. I wonder if she’s going to do something horrible to his daughter. That would fit since this show is a dick. Or Gendry, I guess. There’s a lord of light connection there. But taking a sweet little abused girl and chopping her up to spit out another smoke baby or something would be more dickish. So my money is going there. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/59 "2013-04-29T17:56:16Z")
Tywin Lannister is horribly cruel to his children, but I have to admit I kind of see where he was coming from with his marriage plots/dressing down of Tyrion and Cersei. All he wants is complete domination of an entire continent, but first he has to sort out his whiny kids and their ridiculous romantic predilections. YOU, stop fucking your brother! YOU, stop falling in love with prostitutes! Yes arranged marriages are horrible and creepy and vaguely rape-like, but they’re also the cultural norm in Westeros. Cat didn’t seem to think much of agreeing to marry off Arya to one of the Freys, even though we all know Arya would probably hate that. I think it’s also worth noting that Karstark and his men didn’t just kill the two Lannister boys, they also killed a guard to get to the prisoner. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/60 "2013-04-29T18:06:31Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > First episode of the season, Melissandre talked about precious Baratheon fluids from someone else. And then she talked to his wife. I wonder if she’s going to do something horrible to his daughter. That would fit since **this show is a dick.** > > Or Gendry, I guess. There’s a lord of light connection there. > > But taking a sweet little abused girl and chopping her up to spit out another smoke baby or something would be more dickish. So my money is going there. > [emphasis added] That literally made me giggle out loud. So, so true. She certainly could target Gendry, though. She’s traipsing around following fire visions or something, and of course she could visit with fellow crazyass fire priest Thoros, and get a vision that Gendry has the blood of a king. I am very suspicious that despite the Lord of Light’s magic actually working, Melisandre is interpreting her visions through an all-too-human lens, and doesn’t have the right read on the situation at all. Which is disturbing when you consider that she’s literally OK with doing \*anything \*as long as it’s part of her god’s supposed plan. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979.md?page=4)