# Game of Thrones 3.05 "Kissed by Fire" 4/28/13 No spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 29, 2013, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979 "2013-04-29T02:37:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/61 "2013-04-29T18:22:55Z")
I find myself wondering if Melisandre’s “Lord of Light” is the same as the Brotherhood’s “Lord of Light.” Honestly, shadow-babies do not scream “Lord of Light” to me. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/62 "2013-04-29T18:31:21Z")
> [@LawMonkey](#): > > I find myself wondering if Melisandre’s “Lord of Light” is the same as the Brotherhood’s “Lord of Light.” Honestly, shadow-babies do not scream “Lord of Light” to me. It’s kind of like Southern Baptist vs. Missionary Baptist.😉 ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/63 "2013-04-29T18:35:44Z")
> [@LawMonkey](#): > > I find myself wondering if Melisandre’s “Lord of Light” is the same as the Brotherhood’s “Lord of Light.” Honestly, shadow-babies do not scream “Lord of Light” to me. Shadows are created by light. It’s definitely the same religion. Same terminology, same prayers, same emphasis on fire. Of course, Thoros and Melisandre might interpret the religion very differently. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/64 "2013-04-29T18:57:53Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I actually don’t even get Cersei’s smug ass look in that scene. Tyrion is being given a hot wife and the keys to the north, clearly an upgrade to his current position, and she’s acting like they just sent him off to clean up the stables. Seriously. I feel like every time Tyrion gets handed something everyone acts as if it’s a personal affront. He’s been made the Kings Hand. He’s the lord comptroller of Kings Landing (or whatever the title is called). Now he’s been directed to marry a not unattractive girl and inherit the North. But given that Tyrion should be rightful heir to Casterly Rock and the Lannister fortune, he probably views everything else as a “fuck you” prize. > [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Would Robb have executed Rickard if the guy hadn’t mocked him with the “He’s going to give me a stern talking to and then let me go” bit? Maybe if he didn’t also inherent the Stark and Tully idiot genes. > [@LawMonkey](#): > > I find myself wondering if Melisandre’s “Lord of Light” is the same as the Brotherhood’s “Lord of Light.” Honestly, shadow-babies do not scream “Lord of Light” to me. Like one’s orthodox and the other is reformed? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/65 "2013-04-29T19:09:52Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I might be misremembering this but didn’t Selmy sit in the small council in season 1, contrary to what he told Jorah this episode? No, he was a member of the Kingsguard, until Joffrey dismissed him shortly after taking the throne. So he definitely did not sit on the Small Council, though it’s possible he was at or near some of the meetings in his capacity as Kingsguard. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/66 "2013-04-29T19:11:13Z")
I seem to remember him throwing down his sword and resigning when Joffrey came to power. Or was that someone else? ---
**Author:** ![Cowboy8467](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@Cowboy8467](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cowboy8467)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/67 "2013-04-29T19:13:27Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I seem to remember him throwing down his sword and resigning when Joffrey came to power. Or was that someone else? He didn’t resign, he was forced out for being “too old.” Up until that point a member of the kingsguard traditionally served for life. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/68 "2013-04-29T19:14:01Z")
Yes, Jeffrey “retired” him for being too old so that he could replace him with Sandor Clegane. He offered Selmy some kind of sinecure, but Selmy rejected it and stomped out. Later, he killed a bunch of people while fleeing the city. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/69 "2013-04-29T19:45:25Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Apparently the Lord of Light is a real thing, being as how that guy keeps using him/her to bring back his colleague from the dead. Does this mean Stannis is indeed destined to sit on the Iron Throne? Real in what sense? Sure, the Red Priests can do magic and raise the dead. But they’re not the only ones, we’ve seen the warlocks of Qarth do magic, a witch who did something to Dany(who performed a miracle herself when she jumped on the pyre and lived) and Drogo, and there’s quite a few zombies north of the Wall. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/70 "2013-04-29T19:49:00Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Cercei has the worst luck in husbands, a philanderer and a homosexual. > > What is Dany going to do now? She has gone from basically a sex toy to the most powerful woman in her region. Is she going to be, i).spoiling the Lannister’s wedding season? ii) making some housecalls to some of the other Khalasars? iii) something awesome? Good question. I spend a bit of time on the HBO website because they have a pretty good map that stays current up to the latest episode and that helps keep things in perspective of who the hell is where. On that map there are two more cities that are described as sister cities to the one Dany just cooked, and both say they are cities that specialize in slave trade. Dany appears to be pissed at people who engage in slave trade. On the other hand a lot of Dothraki upped and left her, and some other Dothraki tribes sent some of her guards back to her in pieces when they were lost in the desert back in season 2 which probably pissed her off a bit as well. From what I have learned , pissing off Dany does not end well and tends to lead to something awesome happening. Glad to see Robb has finally decided to do something. It seamed like most of this season he was aimlessly milling arround not getting much done, so he has a plan at last which hopefully will move his story along a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/71 "2013-04-29T20:08:52Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Call me shallow, but when Jaime and Brienne were in the bath, I wanted her to dunk him, wash his face and hair, and then say “Okay, now you can talk.” I felt the same way. I kept thinking “okay, let him talk but at least hand him the soap and scrub brush”. Then when he passed out I thought “now you can wash his hair!”. But still, that was a great scene. “My name is Jamie”. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/72 "2013-04-29T20:18:14Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think this was by far the best episode of the entire series. It’s funny how Tyrion is left a babbling fool after being such a fucking know-it-all up to this point. Since people always say that the last episode was sooo great, I didn’t expect it to be any better than usual. But in this case, I was wrong. Except for two scènes (Jon Snow and Dany, but I tend to not be very interested in these two characters/actors), everything was indeed in my opinion, great (grandma Tyrell, the events in Riverun, the final marriage scene, Stannis family,etc…and most of all the scenes with Arya and the companions). I’ve a hard time understanding how one could find this episode 'boring". To each his own, I guess. > [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > Tywin Lannister is horribly cruel to his children, . I didn’t find him cruel. Though a bit obssesed with his legacy, he’s just telling them to do what every other noble is doing. Not marrying who you want comes with the job (and being a powerful noble isn’t exactly the worst position). The only person who picked his choice of a spouse so far is Robb, and it doesn’t look like it was the brightest move he did. And honestly, those opportunities are to good to pass, and it would be absurdly dangerous to let the Tyrell succeed in their plans (basically, having one of their family members sitting on each of three different thrones) Also, it seems that being married to someone doesn’t exactly preclude having a love/sex affair on the side. We’ve seen numerous examples of that. In fact, nobody apart from Sansa seems to care much about whom they’re married to. Finally, as cruelty goes, “You’ll marry the attractive heir of of a powerful family, despite not having any interest in each other” hardly registers in this show. The only one with a truly raw deal is Sansa (losing her new romantic dreams yet again), and even then, she probably would be better off with the Imp than with the other alternatives offered (marrying the gay knight or leaving with Littlefinger). > [@Acsenray](#): > > Yes, Jeffrey “retired” him for being too old so that he could replace him with Sandor Clegane. . He replaced him as captain of the guard with his uncle Jaime, in fact. I can’t remember which one is Sandor, but none of the two Cleganes is member of the King’s guard. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/73 "2013-04-29T20:26:54Z")
Jaime replaced Selmy as the commander, but Clegane (the Hound) took the open slot. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/74 "2013-04-29T20:29:50Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > He replaced him as captain of the guard with his uncle Jaime, in fact. I can’t remember which one is Sandor, but none of the two Cleganes is member of the King’s guard. I guess he isn’t now but Sandor “the Hound” Clegane was in the Kingsguard after Selmy got retired. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/75 "2013-04-29T20:32:03Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > Real in what sense?. Well, plenty of people are doing magic, but until now, the Lord of Light seems to have been the only god who has been of any use to his worshipers. Old gods, new gods, gods of the sheep people, gods of the Dothrakis,etc…haven’t been very active, I think. The only ones who have been busy are the dance master’s (Death) and Craster’s (the White Walkers) and I’ll give a pass to those. So, count me too amongst the converts to the Lord of Light if I get transported to Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/76 "2013-04-29T20:38:44Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I guess he isn’t now but Sandor “the Hound” Clegane was in the Kingsguard after Selmy got retired. I just rewatched some last épisodes of the first season last night, precisely stopping at the episode where Selmy is kicked out. I’m 99% certain Jaime is named the new captain of the King’s guard. The hound acted as Joffrey’s bodyguard and personal killer, but wasn’t part of the King’s guard. He even mentions not even being a knight at all (contrarily to his brother) during Robert’s tournament. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/77 "2013-04-29T21:08:20Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Well, plenty of people are doing magic, but until now, the Lord of Light seems to have been the only god who has been of any use to his worshipers. Old gods, new gods, gods of the sheep people, gods of the Dothrakis,etc…haven’t been very active, I think. The only ones who have been busy are the dance master’s (Death) and Craster’s (the White Walkers) and I’ll give a pass to those. That doesn’t mean that there is an actual god behind it, it is possible that the religion was started by a magician or that the worshipers picked it up along the way. Just because Red Priests claim that their power comes from the Lord of Light doesn’t make it true, in particular when there are other magic users out there. But I’ll agree that it would look very convincing to the average inhabitant of Westeros since magic in general appears to be rare and isn’t performed in public. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/78 "2013-04-29T21:09:32Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I just rewatched some last épisodes of the first season last night, precisely stopping at the episode where Selmy is kicked out. I’m 99% certain Jaime is named the new captain of the King’s guard. > > The hound acted as Joffrey’s bodyguard and personal killer, but wasn’t part of the King’s guard. He even mentions not even being a knight at all (contrarily to his brother) during Robert’s tournament. When Sandor tells Tyrion to fuck off during the battle of blackwater Tyrion specifically tells him “You can’t leave, you are Kingsguard”. [Here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6aOZsJij2o), around 2:25. Jamie replaces Selmy as commander of the Kingsguard, but they would still be one member down since Jamie was already part of it. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/79 "2013-04-29T22:10:21Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > The scene of Tywin browbeating his kids into really unfortunate marriages was HILARIOUS. I was laughing out loud when Tyrion realized that Tywin intended him to marry Sansa. Then he tell Cersei she is to marry Loras. > [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > Tywin Lannister is horribly cruel to his children, but I have to admit I kind of see where he was coming from with his marriage plots/dressing down of Tyrion and Cersei. All he wants is complete domination of an entire continent, but first he has to sort out his whiny kids and their ridiculous romantic predilections. YOU, stop fucking your brother! YOU, stop falling in love with prostitutes! Where have I seen this before? Oh, yes… [Yes, Daddy Dearest…](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgKIqSwej-E) ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/80 "2013-04-29T22:46:38Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > Tywin Lannister is horribly cruel to his children, > [@clairobscur](#): > > I didn’t find him cruel. Though a bit obssesed with his legacy, he’s just telling them to do what every other noble is doing. Not marrying who you want comes with the job (and being a powerful noble isn’t exactly the worst position). The only person who picked his choice of a spouse so far is Robb, and it doesn’t look like it was the brightest move he did. And honestly, those opportunities are to good to pass, and it would be absurdly dangerous to let the Tyrell succeed in their plans (basically, having one of their family members sitting on each of three different thrones) > > Also, it seems that being married to someone doesn’t exactly preclude having a love/sex affair on the side. We’ve seen numerous examples of that. In fact, nobody apart from Sansa seems to care much about whom they’re married to. > > Finally, as cruelty goes, “You’ll marry the attractive heir of of a powerful family, despite not having any interest in each other” hardly registers in this show. > The only one with a truly raw deal is Sansa (losing her new romantic dreams yet again), and even then, she probably would be better off with the Imp than with the other alternatives offered (marrying the gay knight or leaving with Littlefinger). Come on dude, don’t quote me out of context like that. Right after the one sentence you quoted, I posted this: > [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > but I have to admit I kind of see where he was coming from with his marriage plots/dressing down of Tyrion and Cersei. All he wants is complete domination of an entire continent, but first he has to sort out his whiny kids and their ridiculous romantic predilections. YOU, stop fucking your brother! YOU, stop falling in love with prostitutes! > > Yes arranged marriages are horrible and creepy and vaguely rape-like, but they’re also the cultural norm in Westeros. Cat didn’t seem to think much of agreeing to marry off Arya to one of the Freys, even though we all know Arya would probably hate that. Which is basically exactly what you said. I was referencing past cruel things Tywin has done, especially to Tyrion. Frankly, Tyrion and Cersei ought to listen to their dad on this one, they both make terrible decisions when it comes to their romantic lives. > [@clairobscur](#): > > He replaced him as captain of the guard with his uncle Jaime, in fact. I can’t remember which one is Sandor, but none of the two Cleganes is member of the King’s guard. Sandor Clegane is the Hound, and he was a member of the King’s guard until he fled during the Battle of Blackwater. The Hound takes Barristan’s place in season one, but Jaime is made the new Lord Commander. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979.md?page=5)