# Game of Thrones 3.05 "Kissed by Fire" 4/28/13 No spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 29, 2013, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979 "2013-04-29T02:37:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/121 "2013-04-30T17:28:40Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > . At this point Joffrey could be heir to both Casterly Rock ( if you pass over Tyrion ) and Storm’s End if Stannis is eliminated and his daughter declared ineligible as the child of a traitor. And really from a royalist POV this is what Tywin should be striving for. Of course Tywin seems to be far more dynast than anything else. But if he is willing to overlook Joffrey’s legal name and privately accept him as the inbred Lannister that he is, then an absorption of the Lannister and Baratheon lands into the royal demesne would vastly strengthen the crown. The early Targaryens had dragons and didn’t need lands and men to dominate. The new **Lannisteon** ( **Baraster**? 😉 )dynasty however has no such advantages and needs to be able to overawe any couple of rebel realms simultaneously while playing off the rest. Also just by the by, but I don’t suppose there is any argument that Tywin Lannister would unequivocally be the most effective king ( not most humane, just pragmatically the best )? Pity he doesn’t have the bloodline for it. Stannis would probably be a passable second choice. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/122 "2013-04-30T17:35:47Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I think there are sometimes dual meanings (or more) in the episode titles. Ygritte, as you say, literally speaks the words “kissed by fire” to refer to the boy who bedded her, but it could also apply to the Hound, who was burned as a boy and fights the guy with the flaming sword at the beginning of this episode. Could also apply to Lord Beric who is literally brought back to life by the god of fire, or anyone in the Stannis storyline. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/123 "2013-04-30T17:55:06Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > For those also wondering about Stannis’s daughter, I can’t help but think of the title and make assumptions that Stannis offered her up in some sort of Lord-of-light power grab ceremony earlier either for military gains or to produce a male heir. > > It further begs the question how long Stannis’s family has been acolytes for the lord of light. Well, in season 2 we saw Mellisandre burning the statues of the 7 gods (warrior/maiden/crone, etc., the “main” religion of Westeros), and people like Ser Davos seemed unaccustomed to her presence, so I think it was implied that she was a fairly new presence at that point. As for Stannis’s daughter, all the dialog between Stannis and Mellisandre is about how Stannis is worn out and doesn’t have the energy to make a shadow baby, but there are other ways to get the blood of a king… all of which implies that they might in the future sacrifice his daughter or some other blood relation, but none of which seems at all to imply that they had already tried such a sacrifice. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/124 "2013-04-30T18:23:08Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > It also means that after a while, you share grandchildren with them. That means that you’ll tend to work together for the kids’ benefit. Which might in the long [run not turn out to anyone’s benefit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Spanish_Succession).😃 ---
**Author:** ![yoyodyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yoyodyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yoyodyne)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/125 "2013-04-30T19:33:02Z")
[Facebook page is up!](http://www.happyplace.com/23526/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-5) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/126 "2013-04-30T19:42:36Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Which might in the long [run not turn out to anyone’s benefit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Spanish_Succession).😃 Once people start marrying their own uncles, all debts are off. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/127 "2013-04-30T20:00:48Z")
> [@yoyodyne](#): > > [Facebook page is up!](http://www.happyplace.com/23526/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-5) “Demon queef of darkness”! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/128 "2013-04-30T20:25:43Z")
Winter is not the only thing coming. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/129 "2013-04-30T21:29:48Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Since the Tyrells are going to be married to the King himself, it would seem to be relatively much less important that their heir be married to Cersei. (Assuming he is the heir–he is isn’t he? If not it’s even less important.)… Tywin referred to him as the “heir of Highgarden” so on the TV show he is the heir. Which is odd considering his family was OK with him joining Renly (& later Joffrey’s) Kingsguard. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/130 "2013-04-30T21:35:12Z")
He’s not on Joffrey’s Kingsguard. Also, for all we know he may have younger brothers. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/131 "2013-04-30T21:55:07Z")
> [@yoyodyne](#): > > [Facebook page is up!](http://www.happyplace.com/23526/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-5) Lots of winners, that. > [@](#): > > Between my adorableness and your gruff but lovable attitude there’s no way it could take more than two episodes! Every illiterate-adult-learns-to-read-arc ever. There are a couple of book spoilers on that page, incidentally. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/132 "2013-04-30T21:55:11Z")
> [@yoyodyne](#): > > [Facebook page is up!](http://www.happyplace.com/23526/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-5) YOLSOST I swear, every time I read one of these I dissolve into snort-giggles over what I thought was the funniest line ever, until I read the next line and dissolve into even more snort-giggles. Ser Jorah Mormont: And I’m just saying maybe your mom should attend my invasion party. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/133 "2013-04-30T22:31:19Z")
I laughed at the old-ass Lord of the Rings image macro. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/134 "2013-04-30T22:35:23Z")
> [@yoyodyne](#): > > [Facebook page is up!](http://www.happyplace.com/23526/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-5) Love the Snopes reference. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/135 "2013-04-30T22:47:41Z")
> [@yoyodyne](#): > > [Facebook page is up!](http://www.happyplace.com/23526/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-5) [del]Grey[/del] Red [del]Worm[/del] Wyrm likes this. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/136 "2013-04-30T23:15:51Z")
One does not simply reattach my head! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2013, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/137 "2013-05-01T02:12:28Z")
You’re no Hodor. Hodor. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2013, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/138 "2013-05-01T10:20:06Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Eagle-eyed TV-only viewers on another board have frame-by-framed the scenes in Season 1 where Ned reads the Big Boring Book of Westeros Genealogy, and spotted a Targaryen a few generations back in the Baratheon Family tree. I suspect it might be the same board I recently visited. I was amazed by the number of details those totally unsullied viewers had caught. And by their dedication to stay unspoiled. Watching the boring book frame by frame in search of tidbits of infos when the whole genealogy of Baratheon’s house is easily available on many sites is truly incredible! If it’s the same board, the mere fact of posting there is a banable offense if you’ve read the book (proved I assume by having posted a reference to the books in another thread). ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2013, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/139 "2013-05-01T10:40:49Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > This is why I’m terrible at Crusader Kings. 😉 I guess so. I’m absurdly protective of my relatives, regardless how remote in Crusader King. Who knows when the unfortunate death 😉 of an heir will land you some title, or when said remote relative will save your lineage when it’s _your_ lord who dies while hunting boars…(IIRC, it’s actually possible to die in a hunting accident in CK). Well having your daughter married to the king, and as a result your grandchildren being heirs to the throne means that the two families have very strong common interests. And having your heir marrying the possible heir of another kingdom (only Robb stays in the way, apparently, since the two others Stark sons are believed to be dead) is even more straightforward. By the way, regarding Bran and Rickon. Tiwyn takes as granted that they’re dead. But on the other hand, last time they were mentioned by Catelyn, their fate was considered unknown. Did I miss something? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2013, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979/140 "2013-05-01T10:42:55Z")
Catelyn seemed to think they were dead, since someone tried to cheer her up by saying there’s a chance they’re still alive. She’s not convinced of it but she’s leaning towards thinking they’re dead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-05-kissed-by-fire-4-28-13-no-spoilers/656979.md?page=8)