# Game of Thrones 3.06 "The Climb" 5/5/2013 No Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 6, 2013, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592 "2013-05-06T02:09:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/81 "2013-05-06T16:39:02Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > Stannis is the mannis. > > He rolls around with a crew of badass smugglers and pirates and a sexy foreign witch. > > He promotes people based on merit, not on who their father was. > > Her refuses to not give people credit for their accomplishments, but he also refuses to not insult people when they deserve it. He literally thinks it would be unethical not to insult them. > > Stannis has sex on a table shaped like a giant map of the country he plans to conquer. > > Stannis blows a load so hard that 2 weeks later the woman gives birth to a fully grown shadow man that assassinates his political rivals. > > His pre-battle inspirational speech was one sentence long and was really more of an order than a speech. It was still the most inspiring thing we’ve seen on the show so far. > > Stannis is always angry. You’d be pissed off too if you had to live in Westoros. It’s kind of a terrible place. In my head I was saying “Like a boss” after each sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/82 "2013-05-06T16:40:24Z")
Lawful Neutral. You don’t even get the idea that he wants the throne out of ambition. He just knows that legally, it’s his, and he’s working to make sure that things work out according to the law. If it had been someone else with the rightful claim, he’d feel exactly the same about supporting their claim. I do wonder whether he’d consider Daenerys the rightful heir if he knew about her. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/83 "2013-05-06T16:40:27Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > Why do you think the two are mutually exclusive? True. I meant built of stone and coated in ice over time but you are right. Also I must have missed that detail about Varys and Littlefinger’s conversation. If Roz was indeed his first, I am sure she won’t be his last now that he has a taste for it, the Psychopathic Creep. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/84 "2013-05-06T16:41:32Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > I thought we were supposed to think Theon was imprisoned by the Boltons all along, only to get the rug yanked out from under us. Fooled you! It’s really Unexpected Lord XYZ! You’re supposed to have no idea, and it seems to have worked: people have been speculating about who has Theon for weeks now. > [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Lord Bolton (the guy with a flayed dude on his flag) said his bastard would go to Winterfell..plot stuff happens…Theon gets tortured. That’s not much of a twist, is it? Except that clearly many viewers _don’t_ think Theon is being held by the Boltons. What I’ve heard most often is that people think Theon’s father is behind his capture/torture. Judging from the last couple of episodes, Roose Bolton seems to be getting promoted from minor character to major player. Clearly his loyalty to Robb Stark is negotiable. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_Tightlips](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@Joey\_Tightlips](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_Tightlips)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/85 "2013-05-06T16:52:33Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > You don’t even get the idea that he wants the throne out of ambition. He just knows that legally, it’s his, and he’s working to make sure that things work out according to the law. Who knew there was all this closet Stannis love?? Yeah, this is the reason I like him as well. It’s as if when he heard about his bro dying, he said, “Dammit, I guess I have to go be king now!”. I hope he ends up patching things up with the “Onion Knight”. Another good bloke, and it seems like Stannis would prefer him at his side again (can’t blame him for jailing him under the circumstances though). But given that I like both of them, bad things must certainly coming. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/86 "2013-05-06T16:52:42Z")
- The writing made it seem like it could be one of many different groups holding Theon but to me, the image of the Flayed man is just too obvious to be anything else. I suppose others think it’s too obvious. ::Shrug:: - I think Sansa was crying because she gave up the ship thinking she was going to marry Loras but was just informed of having to marry Tyrian. - It IS bizarre how attached Ygritte got to Jon Snow. Snow didn’t have to do anything except show up and then she’s been madly in love ever since. That’s a male fantasy if ever there was one. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/87 "2013-05-06T16:52:44Z")
As the show proceeds, I’m seeing more an more lead characters showing themselves as thoroughly deranged whackadoos. Joffrey is a sadist, been obvious since the whore spanking scene, but now that we know how much he enjoyed killing Roz, we know he’s a flat out psychopath. Now that he’s experienced the joy of killing, I bet the body count is going to rise. He’s the king, after all! (I wonder if GoT isn’t the result of Martin knowing one too many Renfaire types who idolized the Middle Ages, and this is is way of rubbing the actuality of the Middle Ages in their faces?) Littlefinger is a classic sociopath. He has no innate desire to torture and kill, but he sees all other human beings as tools to be used to help him get up that ladder, and will happily use any of them for that purpose. When he learned Roz was spying on him for Varys, he simply found her useful in another way. Varys may be a sociopath/psychopath too, I’m not sure as yet. He does have that poor guy he’s torturing locked in a crypt, but he has every reason to hate that guy, good personal reasons, maybe he doesn’t need to torture people generally. In general, the nobles of Westeros behave like a group of sociopaths, spending human lives like they was pennies, fucking each other over at every opportunity as well. Since Martin CLEARLY used medieval human history as the inspiration for this stories (haven’t read the books, but Kinda Obvious) I wonder if the behavior of his characters is not a commentary on the Middle Ages. I remember reading Barbara Tuchman’s A Distant Mirror and being struck by her theory that people in the Dark Ages were such sadistic bastards because the infant mortality rate was so high that parents dared not get emotionally close to their children until they turned six years old or thereabouts only THEN giving them names, leading to a civilization full of emotionally stunted sociopath-like people. I wonder if any of this informed Martin when he wrote GoT. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/88 "2013-05-06T16:52:47Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > You’re supposed to have no idea, and it seems to have worked: people have been speculating about who has Theon for weeks now. > > Except that clearly many viewers _don’t_ think Theon is being held by the Boltons. What I’ve heard most often is that people think Theon’s father is behind his capture/torture. > > Judging from the last couple of episodes, Roose Bolton seems to be getting promoted from minor character to major player. Clearly his loyalty to Robb Stark is negotiable. The cross Theon is being held on exactly matching the banner of the Boltons was a pretty big hint right from the start though. As this thread shows a lot of people miss or forget stuff that is explicitly shown, when they actually try to be a little mysterious it is just going to fly right over peoples heads. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/89 "2013-05-06T17:01:45Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > - It IS bizarre how attached Ygritte got to Jon Snow. Snow didn’t have to do anything except show up and then she’s been madly in love ever since. That’s a male fantasy if ever there was one. He is a young handsome southron lordling. All the men she’s ever known are rough and raw wildlings. I mean heck, him not killing her when they first met and then him not raping her while she was his prisoner were probably the two most romantic things any man had ever done to her. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/90 "2013-05-06T17:05:01Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > Stannis is the mannis. > > He rolls around with a crew of badass smugglers and pirates and a sexy foreign witch. > > He promotes people based on merit, not on who their father was. > > Her refuses to not give people credit for their accomplishments, but he also refuses to not insult people when they deserve it. He literally thinks it would be unethical not to insult them. > > Stannis has sex on a table shaped like a giant map of the country he plans to conquer. > > Stannis blows a load so hard that 2 weeks later the woman gives birth to a fully grown shadow man that assassinates his political rivals. > > His pre-battle inspirational speech was one sentence long and was really more of an order than a speech. It was still the most inspiring thing we’ve seen on the show so far. > > Stannis is always angry. You’d be pissed off too if you had to live in Westoros. It’s kind of a terrible place. He is… the most interesting man in Westeros. Stay thirsty, my friends. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/91 "2013-05-06T17:06:31Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > - It IS bizarre how attached Ygritte got to Jon Snow. Snow didn’t have to do anything except show up and then she’s been madly in love ever since. That’s a male fantasy if ever there was one. > [@Reverse](#): > > He is a young handsome southron lordling. All the men she’s ever known are rough and raw wildlings. I mean heck, him not killing her when they first met and then him not raping her while she was his prisoner were probably the two most romantic things any man had ever done to her. The cunnilingus probably didn’t hurt either. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/92 "2013-05-06T17:09:26Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > - It IS bizarre how attached Ygritte got to Jon Snow. Snow didn’t have to do anything except show up and then she’s been madly in love ever since. That’s a male fantasy if ever there was one. > [@Reverse](#): > > He is a young handsome southron lordling. All the men she’s ever known are rough and raw wildlings. I mean heck, him not killing her when they first met and then him not raping her while she was his prisoner were probably the two most romantic things any man had ever done to her. Chicks dig it when you play hard to get. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/93 "2013-05-06T17:19:41Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > Stannis is the mannis. > > He rolls around with a crew of badass smugglers and pirates and a sexy foreign witch. > > He promotes people based on merit, not on who their father was. > > Her refuses to not give people credit for their accomplishments, but he also refuses to not insult people when they deserve it. He literally thinks it would be unethical not to insult them. > > Stannis has sex on a table shaped like a giant map of the country he plans to conquer. > > Stannis blows a load so hard that 2 weeks later the woman gives birth to a fully grown shadow man that assassinates his political rivals. > > His pre-battle inspirational speech was one sentence long and was really more of an order than a speech. It was still the most inspiring thing we’ve seen on the show so far. > > Stannis is always angry. You’d be pissed off too if you had to live in Westoros. It’s kind of a terrible place. Awesome. Oh, and he was willing to burn the religious iconography of The Seven in order to conjure up a magic sword. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/94 "2013-05-06T17:26:35Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > The cunnilingus probably didn’t hurt either. Cunnilingus AND he didn’t rape her! Damn, that Jon Snow is smooooth! ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/95 "2013-05-06T17:27:11Z")
Girls dig total bastards. It’s right there in his name and everything. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/96 "2013-05-06T17:30:44Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Awesome. Oh, and he was willing to burn the religious iconography of The Seven in order to conjure up a magic sword. After he had been utterly defeated, he still had to be dragged away by his men. Screaming and slashing the whole way. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/97 "2013-05-06T17:41:23Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Basically he didn’t have enough fire in his loins to make another one. I need to find a way to work “a bit of discreet buggery” into conversations. I wanna be Lady Olenna when I grow old. Heck, growing old is a luxury in Westeros. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/98 "2013-05-06T17:47:29Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > I need to find a way to work “a bit of discreet buggery” into conversations. Just into conversations? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/99 "2013-05-06T18:05:20Z")
Good thing that Worg brought along a pretty dull knife. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/100 "2013-05-06T18:51:39Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Watched it again with closed captioning, he said _fringed_ sleeves. I love how many things i always catch on second watching that i missed the first time. \*\*Joffrey’s bolt placement was exactly the same as Aryas. The freaking horn Theon was bitching about during the siege of winterfell is what crazy torture guy uses to wake him up. \*\* And Littlefinger really really hates [bad investments](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2gjM86mwkI). Oooh, nice catches. I have to start re-watching too. > [@Frylock](#): > > Lawful Neutral. > > You don’t even get the idea that he wants the throne out of ambition. He just knows that legally, it’s his, and he’s working to make sure that things work out according to the law. If it had been someone else with the rightful claim, he’d feel exactly the same about supporting their claim. > > I do wonder whether he’d consider Daenerys the rightful heir if he knew about her. I was going to say he’s more Lawful Good, but that doesn’t wash. You know what Stannis is? Lawful Lawful. (Count me as a Stannis fan too. I really liked his monolog about the siege: “Then we ate the cats. All right. Never liked cats. Then the dogs. I do like dogs.” etc.) Hubs and I were discussing The Lord of Light and his priests, and came to this conclusion: The fact that Melisandre and Thoros do completely different magic, and Mel thought Thoros’s miracles were impossible, indicates that it isn’t a real God, but rather individual people doing magic in their own ways, and attributing it to whatever they believe in. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592.md?page=6)