# Game of Thrones 3.06 "The Climb" 5/5/2013 No Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 6, 2013, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592 "2013-05-06T02:09:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/141 "2013-05-07T06:45:04Z")
Caught this episode tonight due to a DVR error on Sunday. Pretty blah episode with not much happening, and lots of scenes that weren’t in the book (the Olenna/Tywin one was good, the rest meh). The Littlefinger scene was kinda weird and seemed out-of-place in it’s design (ominous voiceover!!) ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/142 "2013-05-07T08:30:37Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > A crush, I understand but she was in love-lust from the get go. As strong as Sansa’s love was for Joffrey and now Loras, as strong as Tyrian’s lust was for his whore(s), as strong as Littlefinger longs for Cat… those infatuations pale (imo) to quickness and severity of what Ygritte has shown for Snow thus far - if you take her love at face value. > > I mean, he’s a crow, had his sword at her throat, shown no interest and at times active disdain to her up until a few days/episodes ago. And her? She’s been gunning for his dick, vouching for his loyalty, and just overall a giant fan of Snow’s uninterrupted. > > It’s just a strong attachment is all I’m saying. A bit too much for my sensibilities but then again I’m no wildling/woman/what have you. You know nothing pancakes3! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/143 "2013-05-07T10:08:12Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Frankly the wall part is what I liked the less. Cliffhanging girl + kiss + final shot of the great (and somehow not Snowy) landscape beyond the wall. I wasn’t accustomed to such clichés in the show. We thought the same thing. Not only that, but it was so _obviously_ a matte painting with some two bit cardboard snow in the foreground, it really took us out of it. The Photoshop team must have been on a coffee break or something. Good thing it was the last scene of the episode, I guess. [QUOTE=Dewey Finn] Actually, where are Jon Snow’s loyalties? Is he “deep undercover” among the wildings? Or did he defect? (I’m not fishing for spoilers, but want to know based on the TV series.) [/QUOTE] That’s the beauty of undercover work, innit ? You get to wait until the very last minute to decide whom you really work for :D. That being said, if I had to guess I’d say Ygritte is right and John’s still a crow at heart. He seems to be the “I gave my word and I’ll keep it, don’t matter the cost to me or anyone else” wannabe protagonist type guy. He takes after his father that way. [QUOTE=Evil Captor] In general, the nobles of Westeros behave like a group of sociopaths, spending human lives like they was pennies, fucking each other over at every opportunity as well. Since Martin CLEARLY used medieval human history as the inspiration for this stories (haven’t read the books, but Kinda Obvious) I wonder if the behavior of his characters is not a commentary on the Middle Ages. [/QUOTE] Well, his rotten bastards might be a \*tad \*too many at once, but yeah, the Middle Ages (and even the Renaissance !) weren’t exactly nice times and history has no shortage of complete bastards in power by birth making life miserable for everyone on a grand scale. If you think Joffrey’s bad, do look up Gilles de Rais for example, you’re in for a treat. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/144 "2013-05-07T12:36:21Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > If Egret isn’t playing Jon Snow for a fool, then I’ll eat the Lord of Bones’ hat. Still, I’m sure he’ll have no egrets about getting with her. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/145 "2013-05-07T12:43:12Z")
Haven’t read the books. Based on the show, I agree that GRRM appears to be taking Medieval Europe and re-casting it to his needs, with a bit of magic thrown in. The name “Game of Thrones” felt a bit ambitious to me, but it seems like GRRM and now the showrunners have a good sense for how to portray that aspect of power and empire. But humans dealing with power in such warped ways? That’s the Human Condition - it has always been that way and is clearly still that way today. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/146 "2013-05-07T12:50:36Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The warlock said that his magic came back when the dragons were born. Not sure if there was another mention. Really? What scene? I must have been distracted by his freaky blue teeth. That changes a lot. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/147 "2013-05-07T13:17:41Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Caught this episode tonight due to a DVR error on Sunday. Pretty blah episode with not much happening, and lots of scenes that weren’t in the book (the Olenna/Tywin one was good, the rest meh). The Littlefinger scene was kinda weird and seemed out-of-place in it’s design (ominous voiceover!!) You can’t talk about the books here, it’s really not that complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/148 "2013-05-07T13:22:04Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Really? What scene? I must have been distracted by his freaky blue teeth. > > That changes a lot. Last episode of season 2, when Pryat Pree is chaining Dany to the wall he says “When your dragons were born, our magic was born again.”. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/149 "2013-05-07T13:42:32Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > I mean, he’s a crow, had his sword at her throat, shown no interest and at times active disdain to her up until a few days/episodes ago. And her? She’s been gunning for his dick, vouching for his loyalty, and just overall a giant fan of Snow’s uninterrupted. What girl would be interested in a guy who acts violently towards her and alternately ignores / disdains her.😉 > [@pancakes3](#): > > It’s just a strong attachment is all I’m saying. A bit too much for my sensibilities but then again I’m no wildling/woman/what have you. I don’t know. The Wildlings seem like free-spirited passionate people. Plus they all live in a place where you could catch a bad case of “sword in bowels disease” at any time or just grabbed and raped. I suspect “lets take this relationship slow” isn’t said that much in Westeros. What the heck are the four of them going to do on top of the Wall anyway? And how did they get there before the Crows? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/150 "2013-05-07T14:14:48Z")
> [@Mogle](#): > > Last episode of season 2, when Pryat Pree is chaining Dany to the wall he says “When your dragons were born, our magic was born again.”. He also said having the dragons around made their magic stronger. On the other hand Mirri Maz Durr did magic before the dragons came back. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/151 "2013-05-07T14:19:20Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > And how did they get there before the Crows? They might be quicker, better equiped, more knowledgeable about the terrain. But anyway, the crows stopped at Craster’s place to take care of the wounded men until the shit hit the fan in the previous episode. In this one, Sam says they should reach the wall in a few days. Finally, they specifically choose an unguarded part of the wall to climb (according to Jon), so even if the Crows were back at CastleBlack it wouldn’t change a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/152 "2013-05-07T14:20:46Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > What the heck are the four of them going to do on top of the Wall anyway? And how did they get there before the Crows? Get to the other side and attack Castle Black from behind, and presumably open the gates under the Wall for Mance and the rest of the wildlings. The Wall is 300 miles long, and there’s less than 1000 brothers in the Night’s Watch, an unguarded section to climb shouldn’t be that hard to find. > [@DigitalC](#): > > He also said having the dragons around made their magic stronger. On the other hand Mirri Maz Durr did magic before the dragons came back. Chicken and the egg, are dragons themselves a source of magic, or do they depend on magic being strong to be born in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/153 "2013-05-07T14:42:16Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > We don’t know how long magic has been “sprouting up everywhere”. It could have been for years. I get the impression that Melisandre, Dany, the Undying of Qarth, Jojen, Orell, and Jaqen H’ghar didn’t just wake up a few months ago and say “holy shit! look what I can do!” > > I get the impression that magic is slowly returning to the land, bringing dragons, white walkers, the long-ass winter and the slow emergence of powers in people like Bran and others. I think some people have also forgotten that the White Walkers were shown in the _very first episode_. So magic has been there since the very beginning of the show. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/154 "2013-05-07T15:48:38Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > I think some people have also forgotten that the White Walkers were shown in the _very first episode_. So magic has been there since the very beginning of the show. I don’t know about others (and I know NOTHING) but to me there’s a difference between magical creatures and humans using magic. > [@Mogle](#): > > Chicken and the egg, are dragons themselves a source of magic, or do they depend on magic being strong to be born in the first place? Not a book reader but the comet that Brann saw was suppose to herald the return of dragons, yeah? Chicken/egg on that one too, I suppose. Plus whoever upthread said of Westeros being a more non-magical place - I agree. The Maesters ruled and the one that taught Brann was pretty explicit in his determination that magic doesn’t exist and not for a lack of trying. Wrong, but adamant. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/155 "2013-05-07T16:06:52Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > They might be quicker, better equiped, more knowledgeable about the terrain. But anyway, the crows stopped at Craster’s place to take care of the wounded men until the shit hit the fan in the previous episode. In this one, Sam says they should reach the wall in a few days. > > Finally, they specifically choose an unguarded part of the wall to climb (according to Jon), so even if the Crows were back at CastleBlack it wouldn’t change a thing. Wait, the crows are the troops from the Night’s Watch? I assumed when Sam was asked if he sent the crows, he was being asked to send actual birds carrying messages. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/156 "2013-05-07T16:09:47Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Wait, the crows are the troops from the Night’s Watch? I assumed when Sam was asked if he sent the crows, he was being asked to send actual birds carrying messages. He was asked if he had sent the _ravens_. The message-carrying birds are ravens, not crows. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/157 "2013-05-07T16:23:50Z")
OK, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/158 "2013-05-07T16:31:58Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > He also said having the dragons around made their magic stronger. On the other hand Mirri Maz Durr did magic before the dragons came back. Unclear, it could have been tricks, stage magic, hypnosis, alchemy, etc. But really, this show is good WAY to much into the torture. The books simply implied, never actually detailed it while it was occurring. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/159 "2013-05-07T16:48:00Z")
My take was that the dragons are making magic stronger, possibly b/c I remember that line from last season. It would be interesting to find out when exactly the first of Beric’s six resurrections too place wrt when the dragons were born. I also thought that Melissandre’s “That’s impossible!” led me to believe that she now maybe knows that dragons are around if that can happen. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592/160 "2013-05-07T16:52:32Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > My take was that the dragons are making magic stronger, possibly b/c I remember that line from last season. It would be interesting to find out when exactly the first of Beric’s six resurrections too place wrt when the dragons were born. I also thought that Melissandre’s “That’s impossible!” led me to believe that she now maybe knows that dragons are around if that can happen. I seem to remember Beric being sent out to kill the Mountain in the later part of the first season, shortly before Ned lost his head and the dragons were born. So it was probably right around the same time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-06-the-climb-5-5-2013-no-spoilers/657592.md?page=9)