# Game of Thrones 3.07 "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" 5/12/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162 "2013-05-12T17:12:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/181 "2013-05-14T15:39:40Z")
All this talk about succession makes me realized that they haven’t mentioned any Baraetheon cousins yet. Surely there are some out there caught in the middle of this war. I mean you can’t throw a rock without hitting a Lannister cousin. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/182 "2013-05-14T15:43:44Z")
- I was let down by the Tywin/Joffrey interaction. It was ok, but lacked a degree of malice. The closest threat was possibly construing Tywin’s offer to have Joffrey carried there as a result of unfortunate happenstance. - Tywin is due a healthy dose of hubris, at the hands of dragons. - Not before Dany is due a healthy dose of hubrice, in spite of dragons. - It would be most frustrating if Sansa ends up outliving everybody. - I think many of us are expecting Theon to be in a fevered dream, or that the penis/balls didn’t actually get cut because we’ve been conditioned to expect as such from common writing. Unfortunately I’m prett certain Theon’s dick is no longer of this world. You have to admire the writers’ balls to commit to actions of consequence. - Is Gendry good at fighting? I just thought he was good at smithing. Is that helmet he lost supposed to have meaning behind it? - The throne room is a pretty big set, especially concerning how little it was. - To whoever was listing the storylines, I don’t think we saw littlefinger or varys either. However, there was a Hound sighting, which makes it quite comprehensive indeed. - People are expecting Jon to defect, but are people expecting Ygritte to defect as well? Pride is one thing, as is “retaking the lands” (which I didn’t realize was a storyline) but clearly the wildlings are sick of being stuck in the frozen North and want better, warmer lands. Does Ygritte know Onya? - Speculations about winter? Does it extend all the way south? Is everything cold? How cold does Kings’ Landing get? Low 40s? Iced over completely? You’d think that the dragons are the magical creatures specific to counter the whitewalkers. Maybe just by merit of having dragons at all in the face of a juggernaut winter would allow Dany to rule by default? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/183 "2013-05-14T15:44:20Z")
Well Renly wasn’t about to have any, but we’ve seen Stannis’ daughter. She would be a Baratheon cousin. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/184 "2013-05-14T15:47:50Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Well Renly wasn’t about to have any, but we’ve seen Stannis’ daughter. She would be a Baratheon cousin. More of a niece. I was think of Robert’s cousins. Did he have uncles/aunts? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/185 "2013-05-14T15:51:45Z")
Not that they’ve mentioned, the Baratheon and Stark families seem kinda sparce compared to others. Compared to the Lannisters at least, who are obviously very fertile. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/186 "2013-05-14T15:54:09Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Everything i mentioned is strictly from the show. No, I disagree: Sam’s song never mentioned The Stranger. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/187 "2013-05-14T15:58:25Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > – Tywin is due a healthy dose of hubris, at the hands of dragons. > > - Not before Dany is due a healthy dose of hubrice, in spite of dragons. I think you think “hubris” means something like comeuppance. But it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/188 "2013-05-14T16:01:24Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, I disagree: > > Sam’s song never mentioned The Stranger. That’s not the only time the seven have been mentioned on the show. That one in particular was named once in regards to Tyrion if i am not mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/189 "2013-05-14T16:10:55Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > That’s not the only time the seven have been mentioned on the show. That one in particular was named once in regards to Tyrion if i am not mistaken. Robb and Talisa name the Seven in their [wedding ceremony](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJZm-9nITWQ). ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/190 "2013-05-14T16:14:05Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > I think you think “hubris” means something like comeuppance. But it doesn’t. You’re right. \*A healthy dose of humble pie as a result of their hubris. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/191 "2013-05-14T16:17:53Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > You’re right. \*A healthy dose of humble pie as a result of their hubris. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/192 "2013-05-14T17:44:39Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > - It would be most frustrating if Sansa ends up outliving everybody. > > - Is Gendry good at fighting? I just thought he was good at smithing. Is that helmet he lost supposed to have meaning behind it? I actually really like Sansa. She’s the Rory Gilmore of Westeros. The bull is the house Barantheon mascot. I don’t think they revealed who comissioned the helmet…or why he decidedto make it on his own. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/193 "2013-05-14T17:48:17Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > The bull is the house Barantheon mascot. I don’t think they revealed who comissioned the helmet…or why he decidedto make it on his own. No, the stag is. ---
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[QUOTE=Push You Down] The bull is the house Barantheon mascot. I don’t think they revealed who comissioned the helmet…or why he decidedto make it on his own. [/QUOTE] I honestly think it was as simple as he wanted a nice helmet and knew how to make one. It was stolen at the same time as Arya’s sword (the gift from Ned) and apparently neither is relevant thereafter, though having them both just disappear as war plunder is certainly more believable than having them return to the plot later on. (Of course that said, watch both of them fall from the sky in a future plot.) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/195 "2013-05-14T18:12:15Z")
…omitted… ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/196 "2013-05-14T18:22:54Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > No, the stag is. Oh shit that’s right… So I guess he just likes bulls then? ---
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> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I actually really like Sansa. She’s the Rory Gilmore of Westeros. Well, a wee bit less brainy ;). ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/198 "2013-05-14T18:31:59Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > - Speculations about winter? Does it extend all the way south? Is everything cold? How cold does Kings’ Landing get? Low 40s? Iced over completely?? Besides the comments about winters lasting for years, the only source we have in the show as far as I remember is the old woman who was taking care of Bran. I don’t remember what exactly she said (apart from mentioning mothers killing their children in desperation), but the winter sounded pretty terrible. And this was a “normal” winter while the one coming is expected to be exceptionnally harsh and long (because the summer has been abnormally long too). There are also the comments of the master at arms of Castleblack, but he had been stranded without shelter or food on the other side of the wall, so it’s probably not representative of what the winter would be like in, say, King’s Landing. ---
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ETA : also, the fact that people are waging war and rampaging around the countryside instead of stockpiling food isn’t going to help, I guess. Littlefinger commented that they had food for that many years and that if the winter lasted longer, well, there would be less peasants left next summer. And this was before people fled for their life to King’s Landing, leaving behind their torched farms and presumably crops. ---
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> [@Sampiro](#): > > It was stolen at the same time as Arya’s sword (the gift from Ned) Nitpick : it was a gift from “You know nothing” Snow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162.md?page=11)