# Game of Thrones 3.07 "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" 5/12/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162 "2013-05-12T17:12:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/201 "2013-05-14T18:48:30Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Well, at least we know Jon Snow and Ygrette are headed for dark clouds, and they know it too. Jon’s going to have to choose between her and the crows (or her and the North), and whichever way it goes, it’s going to end in tears. Ygritte can’t live like a fancy laaaawd in a fancy tower that touches the clouds ; Jon won’t be able to let the wildlings pillage the North & Winterfell. Didn’t Ygritte imply that she would be with Jon Snow regardless of what side he chooses? I could swear she said something like that in the prior episode. My guess is that she’ll choose Jon Snow and then, like maybe a minute or two later, she’ll be horribly killed…Or he will…Possibly both… The actor who plays Jon Snow reminds me of a friend of mine who, when he’s got long hair, looks a lot like the actor…I make jokes with my wife about it. So it would probably be a bit sad if he got off’d. > [@Kobal2](#): > > By contrast, apart from the rebellion itself going a bit pear shaped at the moment, everything seems to be going sunny side up for Robb - he’s winning battles, he’s got a lovely wife with a truly remarkable arse who’s already giving him an heir, he appears to have patched things up with the Freys, Jaime’s ongoing arc might mean he’s going to get one of his sisters back soon-ish… That’s no good, that’s no good at all ! 🙂 🙂 Exactly - he’s _too happy_. I dunno, I mean, maybe his wife’s baby will be a Lannister or something…OR a demon baby…Maybe she works for the lord of light or something. Maybe the tragic thing will be a child that turned out like Stannis’. Perhaps I’m just very cynical about the characters on the show. I feel like Sansa’s character is a reflection of all the main characters: Good life - Doom - shot at happiness - marrying Tyrion - will probably end up being sold to little finger. Is there anyone in the realm who has just had a ‘happy existence’? Does the light shine on anyone there for long? Don’t get me wrong - I thoroughly enjoy it. 🙂 I do think it means that Theon is now missing his man bits, even though the entire time I was thinking ‘_this has got to be a dream…right_?’ I’m kind of curious as to how he’s still alive, to be honest. As a side note - what happened to ‘Sting’? Does Ayra still have it? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/202 "2013-05-14T18:54:06Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Nitpick : it was a gift from “You know nothing” Snow. Worst Mafia nickname ever. (Works slightly better as a jazz name.) [QUOTE=alphaboi867] I’m getting tired of these scenes with men wearing clothes while naked women prance about. [/QUOTE] Right!? The scene in the cave was a prime example- Onya practically has Larry Flynt directing her and camera’s snapping for a minute while Jon’s nudity last two frames as he jumps in a natural hot tub. The amount of full she-frontal of v. he-frontal (or even he-nudity in general) is alarmingly sexist. [QUOTE=Meatros] As a side note - what happened to ‘Sting’? Does Ayra still have it? [/QUOTE] (Sting- I remembered it had a name but couldn’t remember what it was, and I know it isn’t technically a sword either- rapier maybe? Anyway…) It was stolen from her when she and the others who were going to The Wall were captured. Presumably it’s in the hands of one of the soldiers who captured them or whoever got it after him. The sword she carries is one of the swords that Gendry took from Harrenhal. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/203 "2013-05-14T18:55:26Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > As a side note - what happened to ‘Sting’? Does Ayra still have it? Her sword was called Needle. Sting belongs to Bilbo Baggins. It was lost when she was on her way to the wall before winding up with the Brotherhood I believe. I don’t remember exactly who took it. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/204 "2013-05-14T18:57:10Z")
Polliver, one of the Lannister men that captured her and brought her to Harrenhall, still had it last we saw. She’s on his list of people to kill. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/205 "2013-05-14T19:00:34Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > (Sting- I remembered it had a name but couldn’t remember what it was, and I know it isn’t technically a sword either- rapier maybe? Anyway…) > > It was stolen from her when she and the others who were going to The Wall were captured. Presumably it’s in the hands of one of the soldiers who captured them or whoever got it after him. The sword she carries is one of the swords that Gendry took from Harrenhal. - > [@Airbeck](#): > > Her sword was called Needle. Sting belongs to Bilbo Baggins. It was lost when she was on her way to the wall before winding up with the Brotherhood I believe. I don’t remember exactly who took it. Haha…um…whups… - > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Polliver, one of the Lannister men that captured her and brought her to Harrenhall, still had it last we saw. She’s on his list of people to kill. I kind of thought it was important. Still, if he’s on the ‘to kill’ list, I’m guessing she gets it back. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/206 "2013-05-14T19:04:32Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > - I think many of us are expecting Theon to be in a fevered dream, or that the penis/balls didn’t actually get cut because we’ve been conditioned to expect as such from common writing. Unfortunately I’m prett certain Theon’s dick is no longer of this world. You have to admire the writers’ balls to commit to actions of consequence. Well, it’s not like Theon’s balls have any consequence. He’s just been a dick with them so far (pun intended, natch) > [@](#): > > - Is Gendry good at fighting? I just thought he was good at smithing. Is that helmet he lost supposed to have meaning behind it? Not according to Arya, anyway. He does seem the hopeful lunk. As for his helmet, its meaning is/was that it’s purdy, that’s it AFAIK. > [@](#): > > - The throne room is a pretty big set, especially concerning how little it was. Indeed. And I’ll admit, I did find it a little sad that Joffrey was sitting there, all alone in that big room. Must be depressing. Fuck him and anybody looks like him and all, but still… > [@](#): > > - People are expecting Jon to defect, but are people expecting Ygritte to defect as well? Pride is one thing, as is “retaking the lands” (which I didn’t realize was a storyline) but clearly the wildlings are sick of being stuck in the frozen North and want better, warmer lands. Does Ygritte know Onya? Weeeell I’m torn on this issue. On the one hand, fantasy laws would dictate she follow Her One True Man. On the other hand, having known women like her in my life, I’d vouch Ygritte gonna do what Ygritte gonna do, and ain’t nobody can tell what \*that \*is. > [@](#): > > - Speculations about winter? Does it extend all the way south? Is everything cold? How cold does Kings’ Landing get? Low 40s? Iced over completely? I think it was Littlefinger who said “Our peasants have provisions for five years, anything beyond that and… well, we’ll have fewer peasants”. So presumably the frost reaches all the way South and/or the fertile ground to the South can’t feed the whole kingdom. > [@](#): > > You’d think that the dragons are the magical creatures specific to counter the whitewalkers. Well, the book series _is_ called “A Song of Ice and Fire”… ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/207 "2013-05-14T19:07:22Z")
[QUOTE=Kobal2] Well, the book series _is_ called “A Song of Ice and Fire”… [/QUOTE] How anybody’s going to remember all the lyrics I’ve no idea. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/208 "2013-05-14T19:11:30Z")
It seems implausible that they have 5 years worth of food supplies for the winter when they were having food riots in the middle of summer until the Tyrells started shipping in food. Unless they’re deliberately starving their people, it doesn’t seem like they have enough food for this week, let alone 5 years of winter. In general, no one seems to be taking winter all that seriously except of course the Starks. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/209 "2013-05-14T19:11:53Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Is information from the HBO website OK for this thread? It’s got a bunch of background information and there does not appear to be anything spoilerish there. I just discovered it and the map is illuminating, to say the least. I visited the site and found the “Inside the episodes” videos pretty interesting (the two writers comment on two or three scenes of each episode). For instance (I put that into a spoiler in case some people wouldn’t want to read it, but it’s not spoiling anything. It’s about their perception of Danaerys) : In their comment about two different episodes (the first one and sack of Astrapor) they say that Danaerys has a measure of ruthlessness and even cruelty in her, despite being otherwise compassionate.Also, answering a question asked in this thread, they believe that Danaerys emphasizes with slaves as a result of her own experience, as a poster had stated previously. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/210 "2013-05-14T19:17:41Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > Didn’t Ygritte imply that she would be with Jon Snow regardless of what side he chooses? I could swear she said something like that in the prior episode. My guess is that she’ll choose Jon Snow and then, like maybe a minute or two later, she’ll be horribly killed…Or he will…Possibly both… That does bring up… what the hell is Snow’s plan at this point? At this point it has to basically be- run away with Ygritte and live anonymously or somehome try to broker peace between the Wildlings and the Northmen. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/211 "2013-05-14T19:20:04Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > It seems implausible that they have 5 years worth of food supplies for the winter when they were having food riots in the middle of summer. However, Littlefinger does refer to a number of years, and I believe it’s in fact something like five years (I could be misremembering). In any case, everybody knows that winters last for years. Except children (referred to as “children of the summer”) everybody lived through several winters. They might not take this one seriously enough, and might not take the Nightwatch seriously at all, but they do know that they’re long and harsh. The beginning of the winter is officially announced in one episode (a white raven is sent), and the issue discussed in the small council. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/212 "2013-05-14T19:21:27Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > It seems implausible that they have 5 years worth of food supplies for the winter when they were having food riots in the middle of summer until the Tyrells started shipping in food. Unless they’re deliberately starving their people, it doesn’t seem like they have enough food for this week, let alone 5 years of winter. In general, no one seems to be taking winter all that seriously except of course the Starks. Large cities are a different beast altogether. Even today, with refrigeration, über wealth, petroleum-fueled supply lines and all that a city like Paris or New York only has about a week’s worth of food buffer, tops. And speaking of Paris, it was a rather unremarkable bread shortage _during peacetime_ that sparked the French Revolution. Now, granted, there was a bit of fuckery on top of that, notably the King mandating that his (foreign) mercenaries get fed first before distributing the surplus bread into the capital and so on ; but the point stands : cities are supremely food dependant, and never self-sufficient. Large cities, even fortified ones expecting sieges, can only get fed that far in advance. One expects the five year surplus to be stocked in thousands of granaries dotting the landscape and ready to get delivered as needed. Of course, whether Earthian wheat would keep so long… I have no idea, akshully. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/213 "2013-05-14T19:23:48Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > It seems implausible that they have 5 years worth of food supplies for the winter when they were having food riots in the middle of summer until the Tyrells started shipping in food. It’s possible that the food is stored in public granaries with a DO NOT OPEN EXCEPT FOR WINTER instruction. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/214 "2013-05-14T19:24:24Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > How anybody’s going to remember all the lyrics I’ve no idea. Credit where it’s due, there was beer spillage. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/215 "2013-05-14T19:30:48Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > It’s possible that the food is stored in public granaries with a DO NOT OPEN EXCEPT FOR WINTER instruction. That’s very possible, but seems like an unusually high amount of self restraint for a royal family that was being mugged in the street by hungry people. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/216 "2013-05-14T19:33:14Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Right!? The scene in the cave was a prime example- Onya practically has Larry Flynt directing her… Who is Onya? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/217 "2013-05-14T19:34:35Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > Didn’t Ygritte imply that she would be with Jon Snow regardless of what side he chooses? I could swear she said something like that in the prior episode. No. She said something to the effect that they’ll have to stick together from now on (“it’s me and you, now, about you and me”, something like that) since neither Mance Ryder nor the Nightwatch cared if either of them would live or die. She rather seemed to imply that they shouldn’t care anymore about “sides”. Sorry for monopolizing the thread. I’ve a bad case of series withdrawal. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/218 "2013-05-14T19:35:44Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > The beginning of the winter is officially announced in one episode (a white raven is sent), and the issue discussed in the small council. Winter started? I totally missed that. I thought winter was still coming. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/219 "2013-05-14T19:46:12Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Who is Onya? 😕 r/Onya/Osha ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/220 "2013-05-14T19:49:03Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Who is Onya? 😕 Osha, sorry. (I wonder if she was conceived while her mother was laid off due to a workplace accident.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162.md?page=12)