# Game of Thrones 3.07 "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" 5/12/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162 "2013-05-12T17:12:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/221 "2013-05-14T19:51:58Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Winter started? I totally missed that. I thought winter was still coming. I think summer ended actually. Either way, shit’s going to get hard in the nearish future. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/222 "2013-05-14T20:03:52Z")
Yes, they declared the summer officially ended sometime in Season 2. So we’re in fall. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/223 "2013-05-14T20:21:52Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Osha, sorry. (I wonder if she was conceived while her mother was laid off due to a workplace accident.) Osha is the wildling taking Bran to the Wall. When was she naked in a cave? Were you talking about the scene with Robb and his wife Talisa? I’m not remembering the Larry Flyntesque scene with Osha. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/224 "2013-05-14T20:23:15Z")
Igrytte was the one naked in a cave. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/225 "2013-05-14T20:32:39Z")
Not in the latest episode, that this thread is about. Talisa was nude, as were the torture whores. That’s all I remember (aside from Robb anyway). > [@Sampiro](#): > > Right!? The scene in the cave was a prime example- Onya practically has Larry Flynt directing her and camera’s snapping for a minute while Jon’s nudity last two frames as he jumps in a natural hot tub. The amount of full she-frontal of v. he-frontal (or even he-nudity in general) is alarmingly sexist. This is not referring to the scene with Jon and Ygritte. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/226 "2013-05-14T20:34:55Z")
Ygritte. Sorry. I got my she-Wildlings mixed up. Shit, there’s a lot of characters. (Ygritte is the redhead, Osha is Tonks, and Gilly is Mrs. Craster-Craster.) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/227 "2013-05-14T20:37:56Z")
We do not speak of her during a week in which we were mercifully spared a scene involving her. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/228 "2013-05-14T20:44:42Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > We do not speak of her during a week in which we were mercifully spared a scene involving her. [Sorry](http://www.thestand.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/gilly-sorry.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/229 "2013-05-14T20:45:26Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > That does bring up… what the hell is Snow’s plan at this point? At this point it has to basically be- run away with Ygritte and live anonymously or somehome try to broker peace between the Wildlings and the Northmen. That’s a great question - I can’t even formulate a realistic guess… All I can come up with is that he will lead them into a trap or something and heroically get killed in the encounter. > [@clairobscur](#): > > No. She said something to the effect that they’ll have to stick together from now on (“it’s me and you, now, about you and me”, something like that) since neither Mance Ryder nor the Nightwatch cared if either of them would live or die. She rather seemed to imply that they shouldn’t care anymore about “sides”. > > Sorry for monopolizing the thread. I’ve a bad case of series withdrawal. Doesn’t that imply that if Jon Snow switches sides she’ll go with him? I’ve been thinking about Theon… He’s now sans penis… I have the feeling that he will get back to his pops and be declared “the sister” or some other “non man” (mysoginistic Middle Ages type view) saying by his pops. How is that family line going to continue anyway? Theon can’t have an heir now, would his sister’s progeny count? ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/230 "2013-05-14T21:10:11Z")
Y’all’re falling down on the job, boys. [Facebook recap is up](http://www.happyplace.com/23726/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-6). ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/231 "2013-05-14T21:11:51Z")
> [@LawMonkey](#): > > Y’all’re falling down on the job, boys. [Facebook recap is up](http://www.happyplace.com/23726/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-6). That’s last week’s episode ☹ ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/232 "2013-05-14T21:16:05Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > Doesn’t that imply that if Jon Snow switches sides she’ll go with him? I think she was implying that they should ditch both sides. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/233 "2013-05-14T21:26:15Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > That’s last week’s episode ☹ Crap! This is what I get for not paying attention to episode #s (and posting before I actually looked at the thing). ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/234 "2013-05-14T21:59:30Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I think she was implying that they should ditch both sides. Agreed. Although the end of the scene this week showed some pushback. Snow went on about “YOU won’t win” and she countered with “don’t you mean WE?” I think she is fine them running off, but wouldn’t accept Snow betraying the Wildlings. I can’t remember if this was answered last week but- Ygritte just wanted over the wall but as pointed out last week–Wildlings get past the wall all the time.. why was scaling it so important? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/235 "2013-05-14T22:05:09Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Wildlings get past the wall all the time.. why was scaling it so important? Duh. Because it’s there. – George Mallory ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/236 "2013-05-14T22:38:13Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Agreed. Although the end of the scene this week showed some pushback. Snow went on about “YOU won’t win” and she countered with “don’t you mean WE?” > I think she is fine them running off, but wouldn’t accept Snow betraying the Wildlings. > > I can’t remember if this was answered last week but- > Ygritte just wanted over the wall but as pointed out last week–Wildlings get past the wall all the time.. why was scaling it so important? Because it’s harder to attack people on the other side of a 700 foot tall ice cliff than attacking people on the same side of it. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/237 "2013-05-14T22:58:31Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Ygritte just wanted over the wall but as pointed out last week–Wildlings get past the wall all the time.. why was scaling it so important? I think that is pretty much how they always do it, if the wall is 300 miles long. Either that or it’s a looooong way around it, which no doubt Mance can’t wait for. Remember they were drilling Snow pretty hard about which castles were unmanned - they want to get a more or less intact raiding party over at one spot so they can circle around and hit the Watch from the rear. No doubt doing that is harder than a couple of guys sneaking across at a time. You’ve got to have a section unpatrolled long enough for them to set up those ropes the way Tormund did at the end of the last episode to start pulling the rest of his war party up. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/238 "2013-05-14T23:08:05Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I think that is pretty much how they always do it, if the wall is 300 miles long. Either that or it’s a looooong way around it, which no doubt Mance can’t wait for. Since only a handful of fortresses out of a dozen are still manned, I expect some portions of the wall have straight up crumbled and/or have been tunnelled under. Just not enough that a 10.000+ force could sneak through unnoticed. Might as well crush the largest point(s) of resistance by surprise on the way through, rather than let them regroup and counter-attack, or harass the rear guard. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/239 "2013-05-15T00:30:05Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Yes, they declared the summer officially ended sometime in Season 2. So we’re in fall. I’m not convinced they acknowledge the existence of an autumn. They speak only in terms of “winter” and “summer” > [@LawMonkey](#): > > Y’all’re falling down on the job, boys. [Facebook recap is up](http://www.happyplace.com/23726/game-of-thrones-facebook-recap-season-3-episode-6). Great! Out to read it! ETA : it doesn’t seem to be up yet. Your link goes to the previous episode. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/240 "2013-05-15T00:44:59Z")
So, Tywin, Tyrion, or anyone else hasn’t found out about Ros? Or don’t care? I know Tywin is ruthless, but I didn’t think he would stand for that. Besides, he promised to bring Joffrey to heel, didn’t he? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162.md?page=13)