# Game of Thrones 3.07 "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" 5/12/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162 "2013-05-12T17:12:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/41 "2013-05-13T14:06:55Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > No, it was King’s Landing. Gendry said after all he’d been through, he was back to where he started, and she pointed out the Red Keep as “his father’s house”, telling him he was Robert’s son. Oh, weird, guess I wasn’t paying attention. I just saw the image on the screen and assumed it was Dragonstone since she works for Stannis. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/42 "2013-05-13T14:11:45Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > As did I, and clearly many others. Jaime never even looked at the guy like he wanted revenge. It kinda bugged me, since Jaime was willing to use his hostage situation to win any number of negotiations - why not throw the guy into the pit and say “really? are you going to kill me and incur the wrath of Tywin?” Jaime did learn a lesson about overplaying his position. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Another question. I’m wondering why Daenerys seems so opposed to slavery. It seems odd for her to care about this when her goal is to be the absolute monarch of seven kingdoms. In particular Yunkai seems like a distraction, although 200,000 freed slaves _would_ strengthen her army. She empathises with the slaves because she was sold off to Drogo against her will. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/43 "2013-05-13T14:14:40Z")
[QUOTE=WordMan] As did I, and clearly many others. Jaime never even looked at the guy like he wanted revenge. It kinda bugged me, since Jaime was willing to use his hostage situation to win any number of negotiations - why not throw the guy into the pit and say “really? are you going to kill me and incur the wrath of Tywin?” [/quote] While they’re afraid to touch Jaime any more than they already have, they probably also know that Tywin doesn’t really give two hoots in hell about Brienne and if he tossed his maimer into the bear pen they could still take revenge on her and take him back to King’s Landing as a relatively defenseless prisoner. [QUOTE=Dewey Finn] In particular Yunkai seems like a distraction, although 200,000 freed slaves _would_ strengthen her army. [/QUOTE] Except you’d have to feed them. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/44 "2013-05-13T14:16:28Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > I did a quick count after watching the episode last night and they touched on 11 independent (though interrelated) plots this week. Is anyone else losing interest with this approach. I’m sure that season 2 had less simultaneous plots but more happened in each one each episode. They better start to tie some of these together or resolve some of them or just drop some, I just don’t see how you can keep viewer interest when each plot moves forward so little each episode. Hoping the last three episodes will tie some things together then. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/45 "2013-05-13T15:13:13Z")
> [@MostlyClueless](#): > > Only tangentially related, but here’s something for the Charles Dance (Tywin) fans: > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player\_detailpage&v=SK8IMOsGAiM#t=5102s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SK8IMOsGAiM#t=5102s) Care to be more specific? I have no interest in sitting through an hour-and-a-half video in the hopes of a random Tywin sighting. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/46 "2013-05-13T15:19:47Z")
Is it weird i found myself thinking “you know, Joffrey is actually right”? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/47 "2013-05-13T15:21:14Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Is anyone else losing interest with this approach. I’m sure that season 2 had less simultaneous plots but more happened in each one each episode. They better start to tie some of these together or resolve some of them or just drop some, I just don’t see how you can keep viewer interest when each plot moves forward so little each episode. > > Hoping the last three episodes will tie some things together then. The first one that needs to go is the fat guy and the chick with the new baby. It’s all just too much to keep track of week to week. I still don’t know who quite a few of the characters even are, and I’ve been watching this from the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/48 "2013-05-13T15:21:28Z")
> [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](#): > > Care to be more specific? I have no interest in sitting through an hour-and-a-half video in the hopes of a random Tywin sighting. The link starts right on Charles Dance. ---
**Author:** ![MostlyClueless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@MostlyClueless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyClueless)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/49 "2013-05-13T15:23:28Z")
> [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](#): > > Care to be more specific? I have no interest in sitting through an hour-and-a-half video in the hopes of a random Tywin sighting. Odd, the link was supposed to go to 1:25:00 in the video. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/50 "2013-05-13T15:33:05Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Is anyone else losing interest with this approach. I’m sure that season 2 had less simultaneous plots but more happened in each one each episode. They better start to tie some of these together or resolve some of them or just drop some, I just don’t see how you can keep viewer interest when each plot moves forward so little each episode. Book related, but too general to be a spoiler: however much a problem you think this is in the miniseries, it’s _worse_ in the books, AND he keeps adding new major characters. By Season 10 the HBO series will have more cast members than all other shows on HBO combined. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/51 "2013-05-13T15:34:23Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Is anyone else losing interest with this approach. I’m sure that season 2 had less simultaneous plots but more happened in each one each episode. They better start to tie some of these together or resolve some of them or just drop some, I just don’t see how you can keep viewer interest when each plot moves forward so little each episode. Book related, but too general to be a spoiler: however much a problem you think this is in the miniseries, it’s _worse_ in the books, AND he keeps adding new major characters. By Season 5 the HBO series will have more cast members than all other HBO shows combined and by Season 10 it will be the single largest employer of actors on two continents. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/52 "2013-05-13T15:40:11Z")
You know it absolutely shocking. We knew that a time would come when somebody from the lannisters would get the better of Tywin. I just did not think it would be Joffery "if she really has dragons, we are\* fucked\* Baratheon. As for the Robb storyline, please less man-ass and more Chaplin-ass. Much more Chaplin-ass. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/53 "2013-05-13T15:40:44Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Is it weird i found myself thinking “you know, Joffrey is actually right”? What do you think he’s right about? ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/54 "2013-05-13T15:42:32Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Book related, but too general to be a spoiler: however much a problem you think this is in the miniseries, it’s _worse_ in the books, AND he keeps adding new major characters. By Season 5 the HBO series will have more cast members than all other HBO shows combined and by Season 10 it will be the single largest employer of actors on two continents. > [@The OP](#): > > The books do not exist in this thread. No spoilers, comparisons, anything. There’s no rule saying you have to do what the OP says. But people in this thread generally think it’s awfully rude to make any kind of comparison with the books whatsoever. Just a heads up… ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/55 "2013-05-13T15:48:28Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > What do you think he’s right about? That Dany and her dragons are actually a threat that they should be a lot more worried about. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/56 "2013-05-13T15:56:05Z")
some trivia - Charles Dance and Julian Glover were both in a James Bond movie, For your eyes only. Glover had a pretty big role, Dance was a minor character. ---
**Author:** ![nate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nate/32/13085_2.png) [@nate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nate)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/57 "2013-05-13T16:11:04Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Is it weird i found myself thinking “you know, Joffrey is actually right”? Yeah, I thought everything he had concerns about (meeting locations, dragons) was legit. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/58 "2013-05-13T16:21:01Z")
What is the Small Council anyhow? Is it something that the Hand of the King is supposed to chair or is this something that the king himself attended? If it’s the Hand’s meetings, then he needs a regular meeting with the Hand to keep up. But if it’s something that the king normally attended, then it’s on him to plan the meetings for a time and place of his choosing. And Joffrey’s excuse why he hadn’t been going to the meetings was weak, “The king’s attention is needed for all sort of matters.” Basically he knows that if he goes to those meetings he’s going to look like a boy playing at being king, which is really what he is. As it is, the only reason he met with Tywin in the throne room was to look down on him. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/59 "2013-05-13T16:21:34Z")
+12 for wanting to see Jaime shove Locke (?) into the pit. I think he restrained himself because it would have started a fight, and the men taking Jaime home were outnumbered. I’m also thinking Talisa is a spy, but I’m wondering why she’s continuing to spy. She’s already fucked things up for Robb by marrying him. That’s all she needed to do. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/60 "2013-05-13T16:23:05Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > That Dany and her dragons are actually a threat that they should be a lot more worried about. Got it. He may be correct, but not for any particularly good reason. Moreover, I didn’t have the impression that Tywin actually doesn’t think Dany is a threat, rather, I percieved some spin in the way he was talking about it, such that he was trying to avoid giving Joffrey the chance to do something foolish. In other words, I thought he was rhetorically downplaying the threat to keep Joffrey from trying to deal with the threat, because he basically doesn’t expect Joffrey to be able to deal with the threat effectively. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162.md?page=4)