# Game of Thrones 3.07 "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" 5/12/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162 "2013-05-12T17:12:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/101 "2013-05-13T21:31:25Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > While they’re afraid to touch Jaime any more than they already have, they probably also know that Tywin doesn’t really give two hoots in hell about Brienne and if he tossed his maimer into the bear pen they could still take revenge on her and take him back to King’s Landing as a relatively defenseless prisoner. Also something to consider is that the last time Jaime pushed his luck too far he came up a hand short. Maybe he’s learned something since then about being satisfied with what he can get. He and Brienne got away relatively unharmed. Risking that just to kill an asshole would have been stupid, even if it would have been satisfying. It’s interesting that Tywin is getting information that Dany’s dragons are harmless. News travels slowly in the medieval world though, so it may be his latest reports are from when they were still babies. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/102 "2013-05-13T21:35:14Z")
Have the dragons shown themselves to be any particular threat yet? One of them burned up that one dude… that’s all I can remember. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/103 "2013-05-13T21:37:20Z")
> [@LawMonkey](#): > > One wonders how they decided that Kings Landing was the vulva of the world, but I digress. King’s Landing _is_ currently home to the world’s biggest cunt. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/104 "2013-05-13T21:39:14Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Have the dragons shown themselves to be any particular threat yet? One of them burned up that one dude… that’s all I can remember. They also killed Pyat Pree, the warlock in Qarth, and it seemed like all the men along the battlements in Astapor. The dragons look significantly bigger now too. Have they been growing episode by episode? The CGI budget must have gone up. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/105 "2013-05-13T21:43:31Z")
The dragons this episode were significantly bigger than even they were not long ago in Astapor. They’re really starting to look like a threat now. It actually seems kind of inconsistent, since I don’t think more than a few weeks has passed since Astapor, but maybe they were small before due to malnourishment and with the plentiful food they plundered from Astapor they’re growing fast. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/106 "2013-05-13T21:44:41Z")
It can’t be that much more expensive to simply show bigger dragons, i think most of the cost is just in having them there. And Jamie couldn’t push the Bolton guy into the bear pit because every single soldier in Harrenhal is a Bolton soldier, just because some of them were tasked with delivering him to King’s Landing doesn’t mean he can outright murder one and count on back up. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/107 "2013-05-13T21:44:56Z")
Apparently whatever dwarfed the ones born in King’s Landing (those Tywin described as having heads the size of apples) was unique to King’s Landing, since Dany’s seem to be growing quickly and are already bigger than appleheads. Danarys hatching these in Drogo’s funeral pyre probably made some difference. Evidently they didn’t hatch or gestate or (whatever) right in Westeros. Plus they didn’t have a mommy like Danaerys. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/108 "2013-05-13T21:54:50Z")
BTW, Rob talking to Talisa about meeting her parents, her being pregnant, all that… he might as well be a police officer on the day before his retirement. Robb is not long for this world I’m sad to say, he’s an underrated character. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/109 "2013-05-13T22:01:25Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > BTW, Rob talking to Talisa about meeting her parents, her being pregnant, all that… he might as well be a police officer on the day before his retirement. Robb is not long for this world I’m sad to say, he’s an underrated character. I hope not, I want to see him plunder Casterly Rock. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/110 "2013-05-13T22:04:09Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Apparently whatever dwarfed the ones born in King’s Landing (those Tywin described as having heads the size of apples) was unique to King’s Landing, since Dany’s seem to be growing quickly and are already bigger than appleheads. Perhaps those were juvenile dragons, the parents have already been killed? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/111 "2013-05-13T22:05:39Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > > [@SenorBeef](#): > > > > BTW, Rob talking to Talisa about meeting her parents, her being pregnant, all that… he might as well be a police officer on the day before his retirement. Robb is not long for this world I’m sad to say, he’s an underrated character. > > I hope not, I want to see him plunder Casterly Rock. Plus imagine how uncomfortable it will get for Sansa if and when Robb captures the Lannister homebase. (And what if Sansa and Tyrion are in residence when Robb attacks?) ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/112 "2013-05-13T22:15:07Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > It is indeed ridiculous that the Hand’s time is more important than the King’s. That is part of the very point Tywin is making. He _is_ more important (in terms of actually running the place) than the King. Hrm. Has me thinking. Is he poking at Joffrey to make him act like a better king, or poking in order to encourage Joffrey to do something stupid…something stupid enough that he’ll never be taken seriously, leaving Tywin in effective control of the kingdom for much longer than he might be once Joffrey marries? ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/113 "2013-05-13T22:16:07Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > King’s Landing _is_ currently home to the world’s biggest cunt. I’m sorry, but you’ll really have to be more specific. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/114 "2013-05-13T22:19:57Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I was refrring to the hot naked chicks. When they went to cut off Theon’s Greyjoy, the hot naked chicks started giggling. I doubt they are professional (or even hobbyist) torturers so it seemed weird to me. Do we know for a fact that the, um, body modification actually occurred? The scene cut, so it is possible that Theon wasn’t, correct? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/115 "2013-05-13T22:23:49Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Do we know for a fact that the, um, body modification actually occurred? The scene cut, so it is possible that Theon wasn’t, correct? Does Theon’s captor seem like the kind of guy to not cut off a dick? ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/116 "2013-05-13T22:25:45Z")
I thought that the Seven _were_ the old gods, such as Mel was burning in a previous season? And this episode, when Arya was asked which god she followed, she said ‘Death’. There has been plenty of mention of them all on the show, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/117 "2013-05-13T22:28:05Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Do we know for a fact that the, um, body modification actually occurred? The scene cut, so it is possible that Theon wasn’t, correct? “If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention”. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/118 "2013-05-13T22:31:51Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Do we know for a fact that the, um, body modification actually occurred? The scene cut, so it is possible that Theon wasn’t, correct? That would be a satisfying explanation, IMO. They girls giggled because they knew Theon was just being mindfucked. However, Like Snarky and Digital, I don’t think the torturer is big on bluffs. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/119 "2013-05-13T22:35:32Z")
> [@Taomist](#): > > I thought that the Seven _were_ the old gods, such as Mel was burning in a previous season? And this episode, when Arya was asked which god she followed, she said ‘Death’. There has been plenty of mention of them all on the show, I believe. The old gods and the Seven new gods are different. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162/120 "2013-05-13T22:38:45Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Do we know for a fact that the, um, body modification actually occurred? The scene cut, so it is possible that Theon wasn’t, correct? Perhaps they just circumcised him? The whole thing was just an elaborate plot to convert him to Judaism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-07-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-5-12-13-no-book-spoilers/658162.md?page=7)