# Game of Thrones 3.08 "Second Sons" 5/19/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 19, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757 "2013-05-19T20:31:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/61 "2013-05-20T19:12:13Z")
Just had a horrible thought about Theon. If his captors have a banner that features a flayed man … well, that hasn’t happened … yet. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/62 "2013-05-20T19:13:38Z")
They flayed his finger already. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/63 "2013-05-20T19:20:03Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Apparently that talk about raping Sansa was just talk? I don’t think Geofrey would even want to have sex with a woman. Knowing she would be up all night terrified he may make good on his threat probably is sex to his twisted mind. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/64 "2013-05-20T19:21:44Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] And Tywin is the best badass going. No weaknesses, except for perhaps a blind spot … willful, surely … where his offspring are concerned … and a certain inability to appreciate Tyrion’s character strengths. [/QUOTE] Actually, Tyrion is the only one to whom Tywin entrusts much power and responsibility at all. [QUOTE=Tangent] Very awkward wedding. Joffrey is such a dick. I thought for a while that Tyrion was going to go ahead and do his “duty” and bed Sansa. [/QUOTE] Moment she said that she was 14, I knew that their was no way that would happen even HBO would not permit it. So the wedding is next week. What exactly is Robb’s role going to be. “Sorry Mr Filch, I went back on my word about marrying your daughter, here’s my uncle Brutus as compansation, don’t worry, not as dumb as he looks and certainly not as dumb as me”. Whats the betting that Brutus kills Ceaser next week? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/65 "2013-05-20T19:55:56Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Actually, Tyrion is the only one to whom Tywin entrusts much power and responsibility at all. Wasn’t Jamie leading one of the Lannister armies when he got captured? I would say Jamie is his favorite kid, by far. “Covered in glory” and so forth. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/66 "2013-05-20T20:37:32Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I don’t think Geofrey would even want to have sex with a woman. Knowing she would be up all night terrified he may make good on his threat probably is sex to his twisted mind. Yeah, notice that he still used the phrase “put a baby in you.” I think Joff is going to be the terrified one when it comes to doing the deed with Maergary > [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Wasn’t Jamie leading one of the Lannister armies when he got captured? I would say Jamie is his favorite kid, by far. “Covered in glory” and so forth. I think most of the jobs that he’s given Tyrion has just been to keep him busy and trying to uphold the Lannister name. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/67 "2013-05-20T20:47:57Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Whats the betting that Brutus kills Ceaser next week? Well, there’s no episode next week because of some American holiday. But besides that, Caesar is still north of the Wall. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/68 "2013-05-20T20:49:48Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Yeah, notice that he still used the phrase “put a baby in you.” I think Joff is going to be the terrified one when it comes to doing the deed with Maergary Are we to think that Joffrey is still a virgin? I thought Sansa (or someone referring to Sansa) referred to Joffrey already forcing himself on her at some point. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/69 "2013-05-20T20:55:43Z")
I want Tywin’s awesome trench coat. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/70 "2013-05-20T21:11:06Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The conversation among Melisandre, Stannis and Davos made it clear that Gendry isn’t going to survive. I didn’t get that impression. It seemed to me that Davos had convinced Stannis not to kill Gendry. If they were going to kill him, why didn’t they? OTOH, Melisandre never said how much king’s blood would be needed. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/71 "2013-05-20T21:11:45Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Are we to think that Joffrey is still a virgin? I thought Sansa (or someone referring to Sansa) referred to Joffrey already forcing himself on her at some point. If Joffrey had raped Sansa, it wouldn’t be alluded to. They would’ve shown it happen on screen because that would be a pretty big character moment. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/72 "2013-05-20T21:16:09Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > The conversation among Melisandre, Stannis and Davos made it clear that Gendry isn’t going to survive. > > I didn’t get that impression. It seemed to me that Davos had convinced Stannis not to kill Gendry. It certainly started out as kill Gendry. Stannis said something about how Melisandre was going to sacrifice Gendry, and Davos replied, “You mean kill him” and then argued against this, saying that Renly acted against Stannis but that Gendry was innocent. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/73 "2013-05-20T21:22:47Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Good episode (but then I tend to like all of them, now…). My preferred part : the marriage scene (the “banquet”, not the “church” part) with every single guest more pissed of than the other 😃 (except for grandma Tyrell). Ha, thanks for reminding me of Lady Oleanna’s scene, “idly” puzzling out the implications of marrying brother and sister to mother and son in terms of loops in the family tree - such a wonderful little bit of trolling 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/74 "2013-05-20T21:23:03Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Are we to think that Joffrey is still a virgin? I thought Sansa (or someone referring to Sansa) referred to Joffrey already forcing himself on her at some point. I’m pretty sure Tyrion implied he was a virgin when he sent those two whores to him. I feel like we would’ve found out if that had changed. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/75 "2013-05-20T21:47:15Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > It certainly started out as kill Gendry. Stannis said something about how Melisandre was going to sacrifice Gendry, and Davos replied, “You mean kill him” and then argued against this, saying that Renly acted against Stannis but that Gendry was innocent. And Stannis argued that they both knew Melisandre’s god was real and produced results. The leech thing was just the compromise i guess, Melisandre is trying to prove the power of the blood is real and if it is Gendry is toast. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/76 "2013-05-20T22:17:40Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > Well, there’s no episode next week because of some American holiday. > . Americans have almost no holidays, but somehow they’re managing to get one right on the day when this show is broadcasted? Delaying the broadcast too for everybody else in the world? :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/77 "2013-05-20T22:22:49Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Americans have almost no holidays, but somehow they’re managing to get one right on the day when this show is broadcasted? Delaying the broadcast too for everybody else in the world? :mad: Hah. Even better, the actual holiday is the day after. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/78 "2013-05-20T22:30:41Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I’m pretty sure Tyrion implied he was a virgin when he sent those two whores to him. I feel like we would’ve found out if that had changed. “You’ll be fucking your wife with a wooden cock.” I wonder if that will actually come to pass…😃 ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/79 "2013-05-20T22:33:41Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Moment she said that she was 14, I knew that their was no way that would happen even HBO would not permit it. That, and the actress is 17. It was obvious she wouldn’t disrobe completely. Also interesting that she had several layers of clothing on, while Melissandre’s entire wardrobe seemed to be held on by one cord. > [@DigitalC](#): > > And Stannis argued that they both knew Melisandre’s god was real and produced results. The leech thing was just the compromise i guess, Melisandre is trying to prove the power of the blood is real and if it is Gendry is toast. So I guess her “proof” is summoning some smoke baby/monster/explosion to kill three powerful lords. I was expecting something more mundane like create fire, and she would save the possibly demonstrative assassination for the sacrifice. Plus, what is Davos supposed to do, hear Ye Olde Towne Crier announce that Joffrey fell on a crossbow bolt, and immediately bow down to her god? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/80 "2013-05-20T22:41:32Z")
Davos point wasn’t even disbelief, he just thought it was a dick move to kill Gendry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757.md?page=5)