# Game of Thrones 3.08 "Second Sons" 5/19/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 19, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757 "2013-05-19T20:31:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/81 "2013-05-21T03:23:31Z")
So The Mountain is John Wesley Hardin? (Hound said his brother once killed a man for snoring.) Joffrey is such a little shit. I hope he gets fed to a dragon or something, soon. Sam is a dimwit. Left behind his Dagger +1/+3 vs Undead. Loved the heads in a sack followed by naked Dany. Guess her new boyfriend has a Vorpal Sword. Very gentlemanly of The Imp to not boink Sansa. Thinking maybe it was a mistake not to put some blood on the sheets, though. Someone may notice and get him in trouble with Daddy Warbucks. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/82 "2013-05-21T03:41:16Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Very gentlemanly of The Imp to not boink Sansa. Thinking maybe it was a mistake not to put some blood on the sheets, though. Someone may notice and get him in trouble with Daddy Warbucks. I’m wondering if Tywin will make Joffrey’s threat a reality if Tyrion refuses to bed her. Joffrey’s reasoning would be sound to Tywin that the only real requirement for Sansa is that she have a Lannister baby. Though, I do suppose Jaime is returning soon… ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/83 "2013-05-21T03:48:40Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I’m wondering if Tywin will make Joffrey’s threat a reality if Tyrion refuses to bed her. Joffrey’s reasoning would be sound to Tywin that the only real requirement for Sansa is that she have a Lannister baby. > > Though, I do suppose Jaime is returning soon… Tyrion is smart enough to know he’s going to have to at least appear to be trying to impregnate Sansa. Almost surprised he did not smear blood on the sheets…and he should probably explain the situation to Sansa as well. Maybe jump on the bed and have her make moaning sounds so the guards outside can chuckle…and report back to the various spymasters that they heard sounds of sexing. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/84 "2013-05-21T04:07:14Z")
I’m thinking the sacrificial leeches don’t result in overnight death for the named victims. Melisandre had to do the nasty with a Baratheon and give birth to produce a single one-off demon assassin. Why do that when you could just get a bucket of leeches and kill off a hundred of your enemies? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/85 "2013-05-21T04:15:56Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > I’m thinking the sacrificial leeches don’t result in overnight death for the named victims. Melisandre had to do the nasty with a Baratheon and give birth to produce a single one-off demon assassin. Why do that when you could just get a bucket of leeches and kill off a hundred of your enemies? Maybe the leeches are some sort of curse. The named targets won’t die immediately, but are magically doomed to an unpleasant fate by unknown means at some future time. Unless they have some sort of magical protection, or make a saving throw against death magic, or something. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/86 "2013-05-21T04:49:06Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I don’t think Geofrey would even want to have sex with a woman. Knowing she would be up all night terrified he may make good on his threat probably is sex to his twisted mind. His name is **Joffrey**. The name _Geoffrey_ is pronounced _Jeffrey_, and my assumption is that George RR Martin decided to use the name Joffrey as a joke on people who phonetically mispronounce the name Geoffrey. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/87 "2013-05-21T05:27:01Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Americans have almost no holidays, but somehow they’re managing to get one right on the day when this show is broadcasted? Delaying the broadcast too for everybody else in the world? :mad: I share your outrage. It’s not even an important holiday. I mean, why would anyone want to memorialize the soldiers who died liberating countries no one cares about, like France? 😉 They aired Blackwater last year on Memorial Day weekend and the ratings took a huge dive because people were out partying instead of staying home and watching TV because they had Monday off. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/88 "2013-05-21T07:05:32Z")
What’s troubling is that people go out partying on Memorial Day. ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/89 "2013-05-21T07:19:06Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I’m wondering if Tywin will make Joffrey’s threat a reality if Tyrion refuses to bed her. Joffrey’s reasoning would be sound to Tywin that the only real requirement for Sansa is that she have a Lannister baby. > > Though, I do suppose Jaime is returning soon… My husband pointed out that it was weird that Joffrey referred to himself as a Lannister rather than a Baratheon since he doesn’t know Jaime is his father (at least I don’t think he does). ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/90 "2013-05-21T07:24:49Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > What’s troubling is that people go out partying on Memorial Day. That ship sailed a long time ago. Now, Memorial Day is really more like “Yay for Summer Day”, with cookouts, ball games, fireworks, and various social events. You might see a somber story in the paper, maybe a short blurb on the news, or a “Moment of Silence” during a ball game, and one of your friends will probably link some version of “God Bless the USA” on their facebook page (I’ll probably do that), but that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/91 "2013-05-21T07:55:39Z")
> [@KSO](#): > > My husband pointed out that it was weird that Joffrey referred to himself as a Lannister rather than a Baratheon since he doesn’t know Jaime is his father (at least I don’t think he does). His mother’s side of his family, the side that he lives with and interacts with daily and isn’t in open rebellion against him, are Lannisters. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/92 "2013-05-21T08:20:39Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I think most of the jobs that he’s given Tyrion has just been to keep him busy and trying to uphold the Lannister name. Tywin made Tyrion acting Hand. He also names him master of coin, the second most powerful post in the Kingdom and a very important on. He gets him married off to Sansa and gives him a claim to the North. Lord Tywin has displayed throughout the series that his likes and dislikes of his children do not blind him to their abilities. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/93 "2013-05-21T10:50:31Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > His mother’s side of his family, the side that he lives with and interacts with daily and isn’t in open rebellion against him, are Lannisters. Also, he’s heard the rumors. Stannis made sure everyone heard the rumors. That’s why he had all of Robert’s bastards killed. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/94 "2013-05-21T11:01:42Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > That, and the actress is 17. It was obvious she wouldn’t disrobe completely. There’s no blanket ban on underage nudity. Thoris Birch was under 18 when she went topless in _American Beauty_ ---
**Author:** ![MostlyClueless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@MostlyClueless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyClueless)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/95 "2013-05-21T11:45:32Z")
_Thor_a\* Birch ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/96 "2013-05-21T11:51:16Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Maybe the leeches are some sort of curse. The named targets won’t die immediately, but are magically doomed to an unpleasant fate by unknown means at some future time. They live in Westeros; isn’t that sort of a given? ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/97 "2013-05-21T12:21:37Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Maybe the leeches are some sort of curse. The named targets won’t die immediately, but are magically doomed to an unpleasant fate by unknown means at some future time. Unless they have some sort of magical protection, or make a saving throw against death magic, or something. When the leech-burning scene cut immediately to the scene of Joffrey at the wedding. I was expecting him to start choking on a grape or generally wince in pain, or something. Guess it’s not a fast-acting curse. Hey, I think I’m pretty up to speed with the magic/supernatural elements of this show except the White Walkers. What’s up with them- I thought they just had to touch humans to turn them into zombies. But Sam wasn’t zombified when he was thrown by the Walker. Is there more to it, maybe it has to be direct contact, and Sam was pretty covered up. Maybe the human actually has to be killed. And a zombified human has bright blue eyes like a White Walker- will it eventually mummify and turn into a WW? Or are the WWs a completely different animal? They look like mummified humans, only taller maybe- the one that Sam took out looked about 7 feet tall. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/98 "2013-05-21T12:50:59Z")
> [@MostlyClueless](#): > > _Thor_a\* Birch Autocorrect. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2013, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757/99 "2013-05-21T13:23:18Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Kitchen Nightmares: Hotpie’s hot pies. Dumbass leaves the magic zombie killing dagger behind _and_ he no longer as a sword to deal with regular threats. > [@Tangent](#): > > …Mmmm… naked Dany. She gave whatsisname an eye full. > > Naked Melisandre is both hot and scary. And, apparently, a tease. Poor Gendry… Another sex scene where the girl got naked and the guy kept his pants on. :mad: This is getting really annoying. It’s not like Joe Dempsie is a stranger to nudity. > [@Nothar](#): > > Balon Greyjoy was the other name. He named the 3 remaining “kings” besides himself who are vying for the Iron Throne. The war was called last season the “war of the 5 kings”. Renly is dead so only 4 remain. We have not seen much of Balon though so it is easy to forget about him. Neither Balon or Robb is vying for the Iron Throne. Both seceded from the Seven Kingdoms and established their own countries (the Kingdom of the Iron Islands and the Kingdom of the North respectively). Only Joffrey, Stannis, and Renly were vying for the Iron Throne itself (well Joffrey already has it, he’s fighting to keep it). > [@clairobscur](#): > > Good episode (but then I tend to like all of them, now…). My preferred part : the marriage scene (the “banquet”, not the “church” part) with every single guest more pissed of than the other 😃 (except for grandma Tyrell). I loved her trying to make sense of what their family tree will look like. But didn’t her and Tywin agree last episode that Loras will join the Kingsguard instead of marrying Cersei? 😕 > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I just loved Joffrey’s little extra fuck you of stealing the little stepladder. It weirdly makes his character more believable that he’s monstrously sadistic on the big things, but doesn’t leave out the little details. Didn’t **I, Claudius** have a similar scene? > [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > That, and the actress is 17. It was obvious she wouldn’t disrobe completely. Also interesting that she had several layers of clothing on, while Melissandre’s entire wardrobe seemed to be held on by one cord… Sansa’s never been in much of a hurry to get her clothes off. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Tyrion is smart enough to know he’s going to have to at least appear to be trying to impregnate Sansa. Almost surprised he did not smear blood on the sheets…and he should probably explain the situation to Sansa as well. Maybe jump on the bed and have her make moaning sounds so the guards outside can chuckle…and report back to the various spymasters that they heard sounds of sexing. I guess Westeros doesn’t have the custom of displaying the nuptial sheets as proof of the bride’s virginity. I was half-expecting Shae to bring in a cup of blood or a small animal with breakfast just in case. > [@Alessan](#): > > What’s troubling is that people go out partying on Memorial Day. It’s troubling to the networks that would prefer them to stay at home watching their programs. Then again this is HBO and they don’t have advertisers to worry about. :dubious: > [@Acsenray](#): > > There’s no blanket ban on underage nudity. Thoris Birch was under 18 when she went topless in _American Beauty_ Right, it’s not illegal it’s just really rare and HBO isn’t going to do it. Especially not as part of a sex scene. Plus I doubt the actress has a nudity clause in her contract. The producers of **Rome** had to be extremely careful shooting that scene in the brothel were Octavian lost his virginity because Max Pirikis was only 16. IIRC all we saw was the before, when he had a loincloth on, and the after, when he was covered with a sheet. ---
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> [@solost](#): > > Hey, I think I’m pretty up to speed with the magic/supernatural elements of this show except the White Walkers. What’s up with them- I thought they just had to touch humans to turn them into zombies. But Sam wasn’t zombified when he was thrown by the Walker. Is there more to it, maybe it has to be direct contact, and Sam was pretty covered up. Maybe the human actually has to be killed. I’m pretty sure the wightification process is distinct from a mere Walker’s touch : remember, back when Quorin, Jon et al. ambushed Ygritte’s party, she told them to burn the bodies, presumably to prevent them from rising back up. Even though they’d died from natural causes. Well, natural medieval causes anyway :). I think being turned into a wight might just be a “natural” by-product of dying in the far North now that magic is coming back. Or possibly in an area X miles around a Walker ? Or maybe the Walkers can just cast Raise Dead on any dead body they find, which would make some sense : some of the wights in the big army back in season 2 looked pretty ripe. > [@](#): > > And a zombified human has bright blue eyes like a White Walker- will it eventually mummify and turn into a WW? Or are the WWs a completely different animal? Different animal altogether, I think. Though we don’t really know. Old Nan might 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-08-second-sons-5-19-13-no-book-spoilers/658757.md?page=6)