# Game of Thrones 3.09 "The Rains of Castamere" 6/2/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 2, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972 "2013-06-02T20:55:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/261 "2013-06-04T15:04:06Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > To me he will always be teenage Paul McCartney. I will always think of Thomas Sangster as Ferb of _Phineas & Ferb_. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/262 "2013-06-04T15:25:50Z")
When Cat made that deal they made it look like she gave up a ton just for using a bridge, but what she really got out of the deal was getting the Freys to join an underdog rebellion lead by a teenager against the most powerful house in the realm, and all the old guy wanted in return was some respect and the chance for his grandson to be a King. For someone who was known as “the late Walder Frey” because he only picked a side when the fight was done this is a huge fucking deal and Robb not only shit all over it but he also mismanaged the rebellion to a point that it made no sense to keep supporting him. Their actions might have been horrible but their reasoning is solid. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/263 "2013-06-04T15:48:17Z")
The highborn simply did not marry for love in those days (well, whatever days). I cant’t think of a single marriage that wasn’t arranged…Cersei to Robert, Cat to Eddard, Edmure to Rosalyn, Tyrion to Sansa, Joffrey to Margery, Cersei again to Loras, Dany to Drago. Maybe Lysa to Arryn, although we don’t have much backstory there. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/264 "2013-06-04T15:53:16Z")
Didn’t Cat and Robb have an argument in S2 about legitimizing Jon and making him Robbs heir? Did Robb follow through? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/265 "2013-06-04T15:54:30Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > The highborn simply did not marry for love in those days (well, whatever days). I cant’t think of a single marriage that wasn’t arranged…Cersei to Robert, Cat to Eddard, Edmure to Rosalyn, Tyrion to Sansa, Joffrey to Margery, Cersei again to Loras, Dany to Drago. Maybe Lysa to Arryn, although we don’t have much backstory there. Well, Jon Arryn was like 40 years older than her. I think we can infer it was arranged. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/266 "2013-06-04T15:54:45Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > The highborn simply did not marry for love in those days (well, whatever days). I cant’t think of a single marriage that wasn’t arranged… \ Maybe Lysa to Arryn, although we don’t have much backstory there. Considering the age difference, seems unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/267 "2013-06-04T16:14:10Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Didn’t Cat and Robb have an argument in S2 about legitimizing Jon and making him Robbs heir? Did Robb follow through? That would be almost impossible for two reasons: he’s illegitimate and he’s on the Night’s Watch (which is like being in the Mafia- you don’t leave). Plus he has two younger brothers who are presumed dead but it’s not known for sure. Robert was in love with Ned’s sister, but it’s implied that even that was arranged. (And if they had married he probably still would have ultimately shagged every other woman in King’s Landing- he was just given to excess and Lyanna dying allowed her to remain the pure love of his life.) The surprising thing is that Littlefinger, Edmure, Tyrion (not counting his brief marital misadventure) and all those Frey girls wouldn’t already have been married or at least betrothed. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/268 "2013-06-04T16:19:30Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > That would be almost impossible for two reasons: he’s illegitimate and he’s on the Night’s Watch (which is like being in the Mafia- you don’t leave). Plus he has two younger brothers who are presumed dead but it’s not known for sure. By definition he would have to be illegitimate to be legitimized. The Night’s Watch thing would probably nix the deal though. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/269 "2013-06-04T16:20:39Z")
On rewatch Walder Frey claiming he would’ve broken 50 oaths to get inside Talisa takes on a whole new meaning. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/270 "2013-06-04T16:33:27Z")
Frey’s contempt was really well done. He basically tells Robb that he didn’t break his oath for love, he broke it for a hot piece of ass, which makes it an extra slap in the face to Frey, since a king can get a hot piece of ass anytime he wants, whether he’s married to it or not. He’s had so many wives whose only purpose was to pump out more Freys, he can’t fathom truly loving a woman. They mean very little to him. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/271 "2013-06-04T16:36:23Z")
Just a stray thought, how is Littlefinger going to handle this? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/272 "2013-06-04T16:36:36Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > Not trying to condone the horrible way the Freys dealt with being wronged, but this post really does illustrate just how serious Robb’s insult to them was. The Freys risked a lot by supporting Robb. Yes, he had good reasons to act this way. All he needs now is a good bath with Brienne and he will be again a loveable character. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/273 "2013-06-04T16:39:19Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > Just a stray thought, how is Littlefinger going to handle this? Snidely, I imagine. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/274 "2013-06-04T16:50:07Z")
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**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/275 "2013-06-04T16:53:17Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > Just a stray thought, how is Littlefinger going to handle this? It puts him in a very precarious situation: imagine having to explain to King Pinchyhead that there was a wedding his grandfather helped plan where a pregnant woman was knifed to death and two women had their throats cut but he didn’t get an invitation. Any idea how much of on-screen throat slashing is CGI v. how much is fake blood/prosthetic throat/tubing? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/276 "2013-06-04T16:55:11Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Snidely, I imagine. I was going to say “self-servingly”.😃 ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/277 "2013-06-04T17:19:58Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I actually cried watching that video. Even the actual episode didn’t have that big an effect on me. Really? I actually found it hysterical. Just something about people overreacting to an admittedly dramatic tv show while you hear all the screaming and sword chopping in the background. I only wish they had recorded a couple of black audience reactions like the sort who tweeted “FUCK. GAME OF THRONES. FUCK THE BITCHASS N\*\*\*A THAT WROTE THE BOOK. FUCK THE STUPID ASS ACTORS THAT ACT THAT SHIT!!” > [@Cuckoorex](#): > > The obvious lesson here is: don’t follow your heart. Especially if you don’t want a sword through it. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/278 "2013-06-04T17:29:36Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Grey Worm is awfully sexy for a guy with no junk. I did wonder why Princess Dragontitties bought an army of eight thousand Varyses. Daario “Between you, me and Grey Worm we have four balls!” Jorah “You only have one?”😕 ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/279 "2013-06-04T17:32:11Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Tune in next week when Hodor says… > > (I wonder if that actor has ever had to redub a line.) I’m looking forward to _Hodor’s Travel Guide to Westeros_. As long, that is, as the book doesn’t consist of simply “Hodor hodor hodor hodor. Hodor hodor.” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/280 "2013-06-04T18:04:44Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Jorah “You only have one?”😕 You know who _else_ has only got one ball? :dubious: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972.md?page=15)