# Game of Thrones 3.09 "The Rains of Castamere" 6/2/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 2, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972 "2013-06-02T20:55:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/281 "2013-06-04T18:10:07Z")
Something that just occured to me - can the Warg people control the animals they, uh, Warg into? If so, I forsee a dragon turning double-agent, so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/282 "2013-06-04T18:11:35Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Snidely, I imagine. Snidely, with a side of whiplash. Also, there WILL be moustache-twirling. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/283 "2013-06-04T18:12:02Z")
[QUOTE=Morbo] If so, I forsee a dragon turning double-agent, so to speak. [/QUOTE] The final battle will be Bran vs. Danaerys with Bran saying “Stop immolating yourself! Stop immolating yourself! Stop immolating yourself!” ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/284 "2013-06-04T18:23:07Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Yes, he had good reasons to act this way. All he needs now is a good bath with Brienne and he will be again a loveable character. Again??? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/285 "2013-06-04T18:36:39Z")
Yeah, we ARE talking about Walder Frey here. I don’t think he and “loveable” have ever been on the same continent. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/286 "2013-06-04T18:39:31Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Yeah, we ARE talking about Walder Frey here. I don’t think he and “loveable” have ever been on the same continent. And you can be sure as hell nobody ever wanted to see him in a bathtub. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/287 "2013-06-04T18:43:22Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > And you can be sure as hell nobody ever wanted to see him in a bathtub. Littlefinger did say he had a wide client base with some very unique preferences, so one never knows. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/288 "2013-06-04T18:46:32Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Really? I actually found it hysterical. Just something about people overreacting to an admittedly dramatic tv show while you hear all the screaming and sword chopping in the background. I only wish they had recorded a couple of black audience reactions like the sort who tweeted “FUCK. GAME OF THRONES. FUCK THE BITCHASS N\*\*\*A THAT WROTE THE BOOK. FUCK THE STUPID ASS ACTORS THAT ACT THAT SHIT!!” Oh I definitely laughed. Laughed and cried. Tears of amusement and horror all at the same time. It was a weird mix of feelings but I enjoyed it. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/289 "2013-06-04T18:51:46Z")
I just saw the episode last night. Woah… Okay, at this point, I’m thinking that: There will be no happiness in GoT land. All Starks will meet the grim reaper (brutally). I’m thinking that Egret (however it’s spelled) is going to kill Jon Snow (he’s an unofficial stark). I’m kind of thinking that Joffrey is going to reign supreme in an evil kingdom, reigning terror upon everyone… I guess I see him as immortal, since he’s simply too despicable to be killed. All of this said, despite the brutality, I do find the show very good. It doesn’t follow your standard tv formula. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/290 "2013-06-04T19:07:35Z")
One of the biggest reasons to hate Cat: in addition to her starting the war with the arrest of Tyrion, there is no way Tywin would ever have risked the massacre if the Starks still had Jaime, whose release was her other flash of strategic brilliance. Add in Robb’s “but I loooooove her!” marriage and Sansa’s “but I loooooove him!” moments with Joffrey in the beginning and Ned Stark’s “but first I’m going to be honorable and tell Cersei that I’m about to out her to Robert” and you’re not exactly coming up with the genes for the Westeros answer to Rommel. (Good thing for Jon that he has another side of the family to draw on and for Bran that he can jump into a turkey or a butterfly or a wooly mammoth if need be, cause the Stark:Tully grey matter alone is not really going to get them through this.) Meanwhile in another series, Sam and Mrs.Craster-Craster wonder across stage for a moment, almost as if lost while they’re changing sets. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/291 "2013-06-04T19:07:54Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > I’m kind of thinking that Joffrey is going to reign supreme in an evil kingdom, reigning terror upon everyone… I guess I see him as immortal, since he’s simply too despicable to be killed. Seriously? I don’t have confidence that **any** character isn’t going to be killed at a moment’s notice. I kinda like their willingness to do so - it raises the stakes for every scene. At this point it wouldn’t shock me if Tyrion slipped on a banana peel and impaled himself on a knife sticking out of a plate of cheese. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/292 "2013-06-04T19:12:39Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > All Starks will meet the grim reaper (brutally). Though I liked Ned, I was indifferent to Robb and even harbored a slight dislike for Cat. That’s probably why the last episode didn’t resonate with me as much. However, if Arya was to die, I… I’d probably be a lot upset. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/293 "2013-06-04T19:16:51Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Seriously? I don’t have confidence that **any** character isn’t going to be killed at a moment’s notice. I kinda like their willingness to do so - it raises the stakes for every scene. At this point it wouldn’t shock me if Tyrion slipped on a banana peel and impaled himself on a knife sticking out of a plate of cheese. Yes, I do acknowledge that they seem willing to kill anyone on the show, I find it oddly compelling that the **one character** that most people want to be killed (Joffrey), probably won’t be. Then again, maybe he’ll have a change of heart/conscious and realize that he’s been a scumbag and _then he will be killed…_ ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/294 "2013-06-04T19:17:07Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Seriously? I don’t have confidence that **any** character isn’t going to be killed at a moment’s notice. I kinda like their willingness to do so - it raises the stakes for every scene. At this point it wouldn’t shock me if Tyrion slipped on a banana peel and impaled himself on a knife sticking out of a plate of cheese. I don’t know about that… the major character deaths so far (Ned and the Red Wedding, primarily) have been brutal and painful, but they have also definitely NOT been random or arbitrary. Robb died as a clear and direct and predictable result of the actions he took, as did Ned. That’s very different from just tripping and falling down a flight of stairs, or what have you. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/295 "2013-06-04T19:20:42Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Seriously? I don’t have confidence that **any** character isn’t going to be killed at a moment’s notice. I kinda like their willingness to do so - it raises the stakes for every scene. That was one of my main problems with Tolkien: I didn’t feel more than one or two of the main characters were likely to get it in the neck before the end. Martin is like a tornado: he’ll take out any damned body. I found the Red Wedding to be far more shocking than Ned Stark’s beheading because he was killed at the end of the first book in what was clearly supposed to set off an epic multi-volume series, while the wedding came so far into the series after the characters had been majorly developed yet long before there’s any resolution in cite for the war or the families; it’d be like killing off Luke Skywalker on Hoth. Also has parallels to Earth history: there are lots of causes that had major momentum that got swept away in one clusterfuck (the Spanish Armada ending Spain’s plans for England, the son of Henry VI and Margaret of Angou ending- but only for a while- the Lancastrians [and sealing poor Henry VI’s fate], St. Bartholomew’s Day ending the promise of a religious truce, the Cylons bombing — wait, that’s no history is it?- Even so, major upset). ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/296 "2013-06-04T19:21:15Z")
Yeah, nobody’s had a random, arbitrary death. It would probably be more realistic if that _did_ happen but it would feel cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/297 "2013-06-04T19:35:01Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > All Starks will meet the grim reaper (brutally). Well, the family name IS Stark; that should have given us all a big clue right away. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/298 "2013-06-04T19:36:54Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I don’t know about that… the major character deaths so far (Ned and the Red Wedding, primarily) have been brutal and painful, but they have also definitely NOT been random or arbitrary. Robb died as a clear and direct and predictable result of the actions he took, as did Ned. That’s very different from just tripping and falling down a flight of stairs, or what have you. Good point. Still, I’m ready for it. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/299 "2013-06-04T19:44:47Z")
I guess I’m heartless because, while I found the wedding scene brutal and shocking, it didn’t upset me. I never really cared much about Robb as a character, and honestly I was surprised so many people did. Talisa was completely two dimensional. I figured they were both doomed when they were so happy a couple episodes back. After she named the unborn fetus Ned, I knew she was fucked. It was very sudden and shocking though; it left me wishing that Robb’s character had been better developed so this scene would have resonated better. I guess I’m in the minority on that, though. I was sad to see Cat die. She did a lot of dumb stuff, but she loved her family and watching her son die like that was awful. She was brave, and I respect her for that. Brienne is going to be _pissed_ when she hears about this, though. I want to see her and Arya go on a revenge killing spree. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/300 "2013-06-04T19:47:14Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > There will be no happiness in GoT land. > All Starks will meet the grim reaper (brutally). > I’m thinking that Egret (however it’s spelled) is going to kill Jon Snow (he’s an unofficial stark). Every time you masturbate, George RR Martin kills a Stark. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972.md?page=16)