# Game of Thrones 3.09 "The Rains of Castamere" 6/2/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 2, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972 "2013-06-02T20:55:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/301 "2013-06-04T19:57:04Z")
[QUOTE=miss elizabeth] I want to see her and Arya go on a revenge killing spree. [/QUOTE] THELMA AND LOUISE 2: Winter is Coming ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/302 "2013-06-04T20:01:07Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > I’m thinking that Egret (however it’s spelled) Ygritte. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/303 "2013-06-04T20:23:48Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Every time you masturbate, George RR Martin kills a Stark. Dear Gods…no wonder so many of them have died! Incidentally, I can’t remember, but the usurper killed by the demon love child of Stannis, he was a Stark, right? > [@Acsenray](#): > > Ygritte. I really ought to nail that name down. I feel like she’s going to feel awfully slighted by Jon Snow and will take revenge on him…He will meet his end, probably right before getting a chance to warn his comrades about the Wild people. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/304 "2013-06-04T20:28:02Z")
Khal Drogo’s death is the closest to the “sometimes shit happens”-- he died of an infection from a relatively minor wound. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/305 "2013-06-04T20:29:09Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > Incidentally, I can’t remember, but the usurper killed by the demon love child of Stannis, he was a Stark, right? That was Renly Baratheon, younger brother of Stannis and King Robert. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/306 "2013-06-04T20:29:35Z")
Or did Mirri Maz Durr purposely sabotage him? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/307 "2013-06-04T20:32:48Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Or did Mirri Maz Durr purposely sabotage him? Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/308 "2013-06-04T20:41:24Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Khal Drogo’s death is the closest to the “sometimes shit happens”-- he died of an infection from a relatively minor wound. Robert’s was kind of, too. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/309 "2013-06-04T20:44:22Z")
Both Drogo’s and Robert’s deaths were pretty much murder made to look like an accident. Miri Mazz Dur for revenge, and Cersei (with the booby-entranced Lancel helping) for spite and survival. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/310 "2013-06-04T20:45:51Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Robert’s was kind of, too. It’s strongly implied that there was something in the wine Lancel kept serving him. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/311 "2013-06-04T20:49:29Z")
There’s been no real evidence that Robert Arryn was murdered other than Lysa’s accusations. And she’s not exactly… stable. He was old; he might have just fallen sick and died at a suspiciously convenient time for the Lannisters. (Or inconvenient, since it brought Ned down to King’s Landing). But he died immediately before the first episode so maybe he doesn’t count. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/312 "2013-06-04T20:52:37Z")
Well Cat’s father died, essentially from old age, does that count. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/313 "2013-06-04T20:54:20Z")
> [@kenetic](#): > > It’s strongly implied that there was something in the wine Lancel kept serving him. And the debate lives on. I think overserving a habitually drunk Robert on a “routine” boar hunt is pretty weak as far as assassination attempts go - especially when being compared to the smoke baby. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/314 "2013-06-04T20:55:42Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Something that just occured to me - can the Warg people control the animals they, uh, Warg into? Yes, Bran made the direwolves attack and the Wildling Warg made the eagle attack Jon(eagles don’t normally do that sort of thing. > [@Meatros](#): > > I’m kind of thinking that Joffrey is going to reign supreme in an evil kingdom, reigning terror upon everyone… I guess I see him as immortal, since he’s simply too despicable to be killed. We’ve seen plenty of evil people bite it. Viserys was a sister-raping assclown and he got his. Drogo was a barbarian who had been engaged in pillaging and burning his entire life. Craster was no Pollyanna. I can’t imagine things ended well for that sorcerer in Varys’ box. The Masters of Qarth and the slavers of Astapor reigned supreme in evil kingdoms, reigning terror upon everyone. > [@pancakes3](#): > > Though I liked Ned, I was indifferent to Robb and even harbored a slight dislike for Cat. That’s probably why the last episode didn’t resonate with me as much. However, if Arya was to die, I… I’d probably be a lot upset. Valar Morghulis. > [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > I was sad to see Cat die. She did a lot of dumb stuff, but she loved her family and watching her son die like that was awful. She was brave, and I respect her for that. Brienne is going to be _pissed_ when she hears about this, though. I want to see her and Arya go on a revenge killing spree. I don’t know, she really pushed me away with that bit at the end about how she’d forgive everything if they just wouldn’t kill her and Robb. That was both monumentally naive(thinking she had any bargaining power) and pathetically self-centered. “You’ve killed the love of my son’s life and his unborn child, the heirs of my fathers house, damn near everyone really and doomed the north to subjugation under the Lannisters. But you know what, as long as you let my son live I’ll make everyone else forgive you. Because what really matters here is what’s important to me. I’ll make my son forgo his vengeance. I’ll make my bannermen forgo theirs. It doesn’t matter that thousands of people lost their loved ones at your hands today. I’ll make them all forgive you and forget it, as long as you don’t kill MY son. Because he’s the mostest importantest thing in the world and I wuv him!” > [@Lemur866](#): > > Every time you masturbate, George RR Martin kills a Stark. [Oh Shit, I Totally Forgot That Happens!](http://www.theonion.com/articles/oh-shit-i-totally-forgot-that-happens,32673/?ref=auto) by George RR Martin. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/315 "2013-06-04T20:59:26Z")
[QUOTE=Meatros] Incidentally, I can’t remember, but the usurper killed by the demon love child of Stannis, he was a Stark, right? [/QUOTE] Speaking of, does demon child evaporate and die after doing his job, or does he just leave mommy and daddy for demon kindergarden, or… what, exactly? It never really makes it clear what becomes of him (assuming it was a boy). Robert’s death was actually brilliantly undertaken; it essentially _was_ natural. Cersei and Lancel switched the wine he usually drank with a stronger wine, but it wasn’t drugged or hexed or anything like- it just made him drunker than usual. It was Robert who decided to hunt a boar even though he knew he was drunk. I’m not sure even if a jury had the full facts if they’d convict Cersei of anything (well, with Earth laws- Westeros’s legal system is a tad different). ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/316 "2013-06-04T21:06:27Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Every time you masturbate, George RR Martin kills a Stark. [So, who’s your favorite character?](http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18pqqfq7z4aavjpg/ku-medium.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/317 "2013-06-04T21:07:30Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > I don’t know, she really pushed me away with that bit at the end about how she’d forgive everything if they just wouldn’t kill her and Robb. That was both monumentally naive(thinking she had any bargaining power) and pathetically self-centered. “You’ve killed the love of my son’s life and his unborn child, the heirs of my fathers house, damn near everyone really and doomed the north to subjugation under the Lannisters. But you know what, as long as you let my son live I’ll make everyone else forgive you. Because what really matters here is what’s important to me. I’ll make my son forgo his vengeance. I’ll make my bannermen forgo theirs. It doesn’t matter that thousands of people lost their loved ones at your hands today. I’ll make them all forgive you and forget it, as long as you don’t kill MY son. Because he’s the mostest importantest thing in the world and I wuv him!” That is by far the most accurate summation of Cat’s character that I’ve ever read. In short, “I’m a mom, so fuck you” ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/318 "2013-06-04T21:10:19Z")
If Robert hadn’t been killed by the boar, he would have fallen off his horse or been struck by an errant arrow. Cersei made sure that he wasn’t going to come back from that hunt. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/319 "2013-06-04T21:11:49Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > … I don’t know, she really pushed me away with that bit at the end about how she’d forgive everything if they just wouldn’t kill her and Robb. That was both monumentally naive(thinking she had any bargaining power) and pathetically self-centered. “You’ve killed the love of my son’s life and his unborn child, the heirs of my fathers house, damn near everyone really and doomed the north to subjugation under the Lannisters. But you know what, as long as you let my son live I’ll make everyone else forgive you. Because what really matters here is what’s important to me. I’ll make my son forgo his vengeance. I’ll make my bannermen forgo theirs. It doesn’t matter that thousands of people lost their loved ones at your hands today. I’ll make them all forgive you and forget it, as long as you don’t kill MY son. Because he’s the mostest importantest thing in the world and I wuv him!”… > > Enjoy, > Steven I think you’d find that any mother in a similar situation would beg for their child’s life whether whatever they are offering in exchange makes any sense or not. I started off not liking Cat very much. They way she treated Jon Snow because her arranged husband had an affair shortly after they were married and brought home a bastard infant for her to raise. It wasn’t the child’s fault and she seemed to forgive Ned, just never Jon. Then she falls for the planted dagger ploy and actually believes that Tyrion would have any reason to want her child dead and takes Tyrion hostage. Then she sets Jaime free on the slim hope that she will get her daughters back. Though this was a little more understandable since she has shown she would do anything for her children. Then she confessed to Talisa about her mistreatment of Jon Snow and she did refer to him as one of her children and she admitted to her own failure in accepting him. There were a couple other things here and there and I was starting to warm up to her and I knew she was doomed. I had been spoiled as to the red wedding so I knew what was happening and I wasn’t too upset since I was prepared but I found her plea for her child’s life heartbreaking. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/320 "2013-06-04T21:12:05Z")
They should have given Sean Bean a credit for “Fetus Ned”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972.md?page=17)