# Game of Thrones 3.09 "The Rains of Castamere" 6/2/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 2, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972 "2013-06-02T20:55:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/21 "2013-06-03T02:06:25Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > If something exciting doesn’t happen tonight, I’m really going to be seing red. I saw what you did there. 😃 (But I didn’t want to risk spoiling anything earlier.) ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/22 "2013-06-03T02:07:40Z")
My question I am wracking my brain for an answer too is did Frey do this for the slight or is he throwing his lot in with the Lannisters? I just don’t see the Lannisters being willing cohorts with them for long, Lannisters are sneaky double crossing snakes of course, but they are “above” that … If that makes sense? ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/23 "2013-06-03T02:08:38Z")
I don’t see what option Frey would have now other than continuing to cooperate with the Lannisters. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/24 "2013-06-03T02:12:59Z")
Oh I agree, but did he do it for them or for the slight? I know it seems minor but to me it isn’t minor. Trying to explain is tricky, but if he did it for the slight I don’t see the Lannisters being especially beholden to his deed (not that they don’t appreciate the outcome it just seems to me that they are “above” that sort of thing they are old money with standards albeit they don’t follow them they just pay the lip service… I know confusing lol) or if he did it at the request of the Lannisters which would seem less petty but still… I did hear Roose say about the Lannisters so I know what he was doing it for… prick 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/25 "2013-06-03T02:14:32Z")
If Sansa is the oldest Stark, and she’s Tyrion’s bride, does that mean that the Lannisters now have a legitimate claim to Winterfell? Or does inheritance fall to younger males in favor of older females in GoT land? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/26 "2013-06-03T02:16:01Z")
It goes to Bran and then Rickon, but everyone assumes they are dead. Bran just told Rickon he would be the heir to winterfell if Bran died. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/27 "2013-06-03T02:16:16Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > If Sansa is the oldest Stark, and she’s Tyrion’s bride, does that mean that the Lannisters now have a legitimate claim to Winterfell? Or does inheritance fall to younger males in favor of older females in GoT land? I don’t think we have a definitive answer, but I believe it’s like male-preference primogeniture in which all brothers are ahead of all sisters. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/28 "2013-06-03T02:17:52Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I don’t think we have a definitive answer, but I believe it’s like male-preference primogeniture in which all brothers are ahead of all sisters. We do have a definitive answer, Bran just said so. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/29 "2013-06-03T02:23:53Z")
> [@RyJae](#): > > My question I am wracking my brain for an answer too is did Frey do this for the slight or is he throwing his lot in with the Lannisters? I just don’t see the Lannisters being willing cohorts with them for long, Lannisters are sneaky double crossing snakes of course, but they are “above” that … If that makes sense? A little bit from column A, a little bit from column B. Actually, a lot from column A and a lot from column B. This also seems to mean that the Lannisters have no real competition until Dany shows up with her babies. (Sorry, I have a hard time taking Stannis seriously, shadow babies or no.) ---
**Author:** ![HammerJoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@HammerJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HammerJoe)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/30 "2013-06-03T02:24:14Z")
What does this mean now? Is the war over? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/31 "2013-06-03T02:25:19Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > What does this mean now? > Is the war over? Stannis and Balon Greyjoy are still in rebellion. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/32 "2013-06-03T02:26:00Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > What does this mean now? > Is the war over? The war with the Starks would certainly seem to be, at least until Arya grows up and stops being hostage to everyone. Stannis is still out there, and the Greyjoys are being pirates and raiders, but my impression is that they’re a minor House and don’t have the men/treasure needed to mount a real challenge for the Iron Throne. It’ll be a mopping up operation. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/33 "2013-06-03T02:36:25Z")
> [@RyJae](#): > > My question I am wracking my brain for an answer too is did Frey do this for the slight or is he throwing his lot in with the Lannisters? I just don’t see the Lannisters being willing cohorts with them for long, Lannisters are sneaky double crossing snakes of course, but they are “above” that … If that makes sense? My take on it is he did it mostly for revenge. He’s politically astute enough to play it for whatever advantage he can, but the motivation was personal. That said, Roose, and by implication, the Lannisters were in on it. Roose wore his armor to the feast, which he would not have done unless he knew what was up. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/34 "2013-06-03T02:45:13Z")
You’ve no idea how hard it has been for many of us to sit on that one for three seasons now. (And just wait until they find out that Spock kills Dumbledore.) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/35 "2013-06-03T02:45:47Z")
You know, by Dothraki standards that was an awesome wedding. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/36 "2013-06-03T02:47:58Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Not a book spoiler I promise, but you’ve no idea how hard it has been for many of us to sit on that one for three seasons now. I have to be very careful about which thread I’m posting in. Haven’t read the books, but I do read spoilers. I knew what was coming tonight, but it wasn’t “real” until I saw it happen onscreen, if that makes any sense. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/37 "2013-06-03T02:53:48Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > My take on it is he did it mostly for revenge. He’s politically astute enough to play it for whatever advantage he can, but the motivation was personal. That said, Roose, and by implication, the Lannisters were in on it. Roose wore his armor to the feast, which he would not have done unless he knew what was up. I think the major give away that he was in on it was when he slit Cat’s throat. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/38 "2013-06-03T02:55:14Z")
Holy fuck! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/39 "2013-06-03T02:55:53Z")
Or when he stabbed Robb and gave him the Lannister’s regards. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/40 "2013-06-03T02:57:02Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I think the major give away that he was in on it was when he slit Cat’s throat. He’d already killed Robb with the “Regards from the Lannisters” bit when he did that, but the reveal was when Cat pulled up his sleeve to show the armor. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972.md?page=3)