# Game of Thrones 3.09 "The Rains of Castamere" 6/2/13 No book spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 2, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972 "2013-06-02T20:55:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/141 "2013-06-03T17:45:56Z")
Of the top of my head, Tyrion is whistling it when he walks in on the small council on the first episode of season 2, Bronn is singing it in the tavern scene before the battle of the blackwater and calls it “the Lannister song”, It plays over the credits of the blackwater episode, the brotherhood without banners is singing it when they run into Arya Gendry and Hot Pie, it played while Jamie rescued Brienne from the bear, it also plays over the credits of another episode i can’t remember and Cersei explains the story behind the song last episode. I don’t think they could have beat that song into our heads any harder than they did. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/142 "2013-06-03T17:46:37Z")
I recognized it. It’s been used in the show a few times and it was featured prominently in the commercials for this season. Watching last night’s episode, I reacted to the musicians playing it even before Cat did. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/143 "2013-06-03T17:57:31Z")
I find I miss a lot because of accents and the source I use to watch the episodes has everyone speaking in whispers so I did not get the significance of the song but I knew this was coming because I read a spoiler about the red wedding a while back, I just wasn’t sure when it was happening. The other heartbreaking thing about this episode is how on two separate occasions members of the Stark household were so close to being reunited but ended up being further split apart. Aside from the deaths, now Bran and Rickon have been separated, the last two Starks that still were with family. I was most upset about Arya not being able to rescue Robb’s wolf in time, I knew the others were going to die - I just wasn’t sure the wolf would and I want Arya to have a wolf again. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/144 "2013-06-03T17:58:53Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > To the extent that there’s as theme or point to GoT it’s that laws and claims and legalities are irrelevant if you don’t have the force to back them up. This, and other things said about the laws and claims and all that, remind me of the competing “theories of power” that Petyr, Cersei, Varys and others presented in seasons past: Littlefinger: “_Knowledge_ is power.” Cersei: (Sure is; like I know I can have you killed whenever I want.) “_Power_ is power.” Creepy ESP Ninjalady in Quarth: “Dragons are fire made flesh…and \*fire \*is power.” (no doubt Lady Dickleech would agree about the fire is power bit.) Varys: _“Power”_ resides where people \*believe \*it resides. It’s a trick, a shadow on the wall… and a very small man can cast a very large shadow." ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/145 "2013-06-03T17:59:09Z")
Just curious, but the Riverlands are NOT part of the North as is made clear many times. Have they accepted the now deceased Robb as their King or they wish to be independant. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/146 "2013-06-03T18:01:48Z")
They all pledged to Robb, probably because that whole King of the North thing happened right after he saved their ass from Jamie’s army. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/147 "2013-06-03T18:01:57Z")
> [@Wile\_E](#): > > I was most upset about Arya not being able to rescue Robb’s wolf in time, I knew the others were going to die - I just wasn’t sure the wolf would and I want Arya to have a wolf again. It’s nothing but a wild(ling) hope on my part, but I’d be pretty pleased to see Nymeria return at some opportune moment in an upcoming season to tear out some Lannister (or Frey) throats. Between them, they’ve killed her brother and sister, and I think she’s due for a bit of revenge. ---
**Author:** ![HammerJoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@HammerJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HammerJoe)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/148 "2013-06-03T18:03:04Z")
Question about the trailer for next week. I quite cant understand what Tyrion says at te begining, He says “The northermen…”. What is the complete sentence that he says? ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/149 "2013-06-03T18:06:07Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > Question about the trailer for next week. > I quite cant understand what Tyrion says at te begining, He says “The northermen…” “The northerners will never forget.” ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/150 "2013-06-03T18:09:37Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > It’s nothing but a wild(ling) hope on my part, but I’d be pretty pleased to see Nymeria return at some opportune moment in an upcoming season to tear out some Lannister (or Frey) throats. Between them, they’ve killed her brother and sister, and I think she’s due for a bit of revenge. We think alike. Every time Arya has been in danger I keep expecting/wanting a wolf to spring out of nowhere to save her. ---
**Author:** ![HammerJoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@HammerJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HammerJoe)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/151 "2013-06-03T18:15:29Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > “The northerners will never forget.” Thank you. Thats what I thought but I couldnt really hear it… Odd statement from Tyrion isnt it? Perhaps a hint of whats to come. 🙂 Tyrion is the odd one isnt it? He seems honorable and that kinda goes against the theme of the show. I wonder if and when the Lannisters are defeated if he would be spared? But I wonder what North is he talking about, with Winterfell done theres not much left is there? The only real threat now is Danayeris isnt she? ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/152 "2013-06-03T18:22:58Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > But I wonder what North is he talking about, with Winterfell done theres not much left is there? > > The only real threat now is Danayeris isnt she? Well, there’s apparently a lot of scattered villages and minor castles and so forth who are still pledged to House Stark, and though they may not be organized so much yet, something like this could be a catalyst for uniting against the Bad Guys. There’s also the point that Tyrion was trying to make to Cersei in S2, that it might be difficult to rule people who hate you and want you dead. There’s also the White Walkers, though I doubt Tyrion is thinking of them when he says “northerners.” ---
**Author:** ![Mogle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mogle/32/12021_2.png) [@Mogle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mogle)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/153 "2013-06-03T18:23:00Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > But I wonder what North is he talking about, with Winterfell done theres not much left is there? It still needs to be governed, and he is married to the heir(as far as anyone knows) of Winterfell making him the man that eventually is going to have to do the governing. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/154 "2013-06-03T18:24:13Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > I have a question for the other non-book-readers like me (book-readers, I assume, got it literally spelled out for them). > > When Sgt Nutter’s Medieval Hearts Club Band and Archery Society started playing that menacing tune, Cat freaked out and that’s when she realised they were in a trap. Which is weird, because evidently there’s only two fukken songs in the entire kingdoms : the Bear and the Maiden Fair (the jaunty tune played just before) and the Rains of Castamere. Those are the only songs anybody ever plays or sings in the series :). One would assume they just played both on a loop throughout the wedding :p. [QUOTE=HammerJoe] The only real threat now is Danayeris isnt she? [/QUOTE] Well, there’s also “every single Wildling”, which are coming much like Winter ; and behind them there’s another, larger set of “every single Wildling, past or present” ;). ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/155 "2013-06-03T18:26:41Z")
> [@](#): > > But I wonder what North is he talking about, with Winterfell done theres not much left is there? Winterfell is just one castle. The North is populated with actual people. Including a pretty large port city, White Harbor, which Ned was seeking a ship to flee towards. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/156 "2013-06-03T18:27:23Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > What I Did this Summer > by Arya Stark Actually - I have a question here. How much “time” has passed between the start of the series and “now”? The only mentions of time that I remember well is from S1, when someone (Cersei?) was whinging that it took a month to get from King’s Landing to Winterfell. Didn’t Jaime complain in an earlier episode (maybe episode 7?) that he’d been tromping around with Brienne for several months in the same boots? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/157 "2013-06-03T18:31:20Z")
Pretty much the only way this season has a happy ending is if we see Geoffrey’s Wedding, with all the Lannisters in attendance, and out of the blue, something starts blasting “Shoot to Thrill” by AC/DC, a wall explodes, and Iron Man (aka Tony STARK) bursts through to kick Lannister ass… ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/158 "2013-06-03T18:31:32Z")
He said he had been wearing the same boots for over a year, which i assume is the time he spent prisoner. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/159 "2013-06-03T18:32:27Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Shoving her to the ground was for her sake, Jon had no idea the Direwolves would save his ass and didn’t want to get her killed too. Yeah, I thought it was because he intended for her to live and her own people would kill her if she took up arms against them. > [@Acsenray](#): > > I certainly didn’t recognize it. Had it even been played before? I definitely recognized it. When they started playing it right as the doors closed, I immediately thought “Oh crap!” but then when it didn’t happen right away I thought I was imagining things. BTW, [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmzfuQN9vk) is the version of “Rains of Castamere” that was played over the credits of episode 2.09. I cannot vouch for a lack of spoilers in the comments section (I myself am not a reader of these books so I refuse to look), so read further down on that page at your own risk. The video itself is just a picture, so you can just listen without looking. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972/160 "2013-06-03T18:32:30Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > Thank you. > Thats what I thought but I couldnt really hear it… > Odd statement from Tyrion isnt it? > Perhaps a hint of whats to come. I don’t know if it’s so odd - Tyrion is pretty smart and I’m sure he realizes that, even though many former Stark bannermen switched sides, there are still some loyalists who will forever blame the Lannisters for killing Ned (especially since I’m sure rumours of Joffrey’s parentage have made it even to the Winterfell metropolitan area). Even though Tyrion was not directly involved, he _is_ still a Lannister. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-09-the-rains-of-castamere-6-2-13-no-book-spoilers/659972.md?page=9)