# Game of Thrones 3.10 "Mhysa" 6/9/2013 No book discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 9, 2013, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539 "2013-06-09T11:27:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![smaje1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47774/32.png) [@smaje1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smaje1)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/201 "2013-06-12T17:59:20Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I think he meant explain what Joffrey was talking about. To be honest i don’t quite remember if this has been covered on the show or not, i want to say yes but i am not 100% sure. I guess if Joffrey is talking about it then it must have, but i’ll put it under spoilers either way. During the war Tywin didn’t join any side until Robert/Ned had basically won, then he showed up at King’s Landing and offered his help to the king then proceeded to sack the city once the gates were opened and murder the rest of the royal family. Ah, OK. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/202 "2013-06-12T18:42:35Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Varys seems to think that the little (no pun intended) people are going to be making power plays in the near future. Guys like Littlefinger and Tyrion, who don’t have any real power at the moment. I’m curious and hopeful that this is true, because that will make for one interesting storyline. Littlefinger? _Going to!?_ But he, Varys, Pycelle are all the same. Pycelle is the master of the poorly thought out plot. Baelish is more sophisticated, but transparent (at least to the obvious). It’s not clear what Varys is driving at as far as goals, except that he _seems_ more benevolent (but clearly not completely), and loves talking about his ex-junk. > [@Cuckoorex](#): > > I think in the pilot episode, when they found the pups, someone said something about how there are no direwolves south of the wall, to which Jon says, “Now there are five.” > > So not extinct, just…endangered? [Extirpated](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_extinction) is the fancy word. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/203 "2013-06-12T19:07:42Z")
Ah, found the new theme song! [Game of Thrones - Season 4: HODOR with DRAGON GLASS!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0nS8u6Td5I) ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/204 "2013-06-12T19:42:50Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Well, Shae made it clear that she would only leave if Tyrion asked, so the fact that Tyrion didn’t follow up on that tells me that it was all Varys. Varys knows that Tyrion is being led around by his dick and not his brain when it comes to Shae. It’s actually a matter of wild speculation for me as to why Varys did what he did. What does he get out of it? Was he simply trying to look out for Shae? To test Shae? To hurt Tyrion? To help Tyrion? Just for shits and giggles because he didn’t have much to do this season after he finally found his de-peniser? Ah, the maddening part of GoT. You have no idea if the scene that you obsess over is going to be a plot point in the future or if you’re just being futilely analytic. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/205 "2013-06-12T19:51:01Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Littlefinger? _Going to!?_ But he, Varys, Pycelle are all the same. Pycelle is the master of the poorly thought out plot. Baelish is more sophisticated, but transparent (at least to the obvious). It’s not clear what Varys is driving at as far as goals, except that he _seems_ more benevolent (but clearly not completely), and loves talking about his ex-junk. Yeah, that’s my thoughts about them as well - Pycelle is like Cersei, he thinks he’s clever but he’s really not. Littlefinger is actually clever, but his ego and his pathological need to speechify gets in his way big time. I don’t know what the hell Varys is about - but damn if he isn’t the slickest of 'em all. [QUOTE=enalzi] It wasn’t a Stark banner, it was the Frey’s banner. Definitely to avoid being attacked. [/QUOTE] Yup. [QUOTE=msmith537] Also are they CGI in that they create wireframe and textured animated models or are they just composite videos to make real dogs look big? [/QUOTE] It varies from shot to shot, but most of the time they’re re-scaled real dogs. [QUOTE=AuntiePalm] I think the “shift” was Sansa being too much of a lady to say “shit”, but that exchange was a bit hard to decipher. [/QUOTE] I thought it was the “posh lady trying to sound street” trope - she’s (mis)heard people say “shit” at some point in her life but since it’s sort of a foreign word to her, she gets it wrong. Tyrion is about to correct her before they get interrupted. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/206 "2013-06-12T21:50:42Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Littlefinger? _Going to!?_ But he, Varys, Pycelle are all the same. Pycelle is the master of the poorly thought out plot. Baelish is more sophisticated, but transparent (at least to the obvious). It’s not clear what Varys is driving at as far as goals, except that he _seems_ more benevolent (but clearly not completely), and loves talking about his ex-junk. Well, power plays beyond “trusted advisor to the king.” Varys is talking about Littlefinger getting an actual army and everything. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/207 "2013-06-12T22:20:29Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Bear in mind that Tywin is a practical man with a good understanding of economics. He probably realizes that living peasants are a medieval economy’s chief cash-generating asset; no point in throwing them away needlessly. Agreed; Tywin’s concerned with the loss of resources, not human rights. He’s also concerned with appearances, which is why he gave himself plausible deniability regarding exactly how the Freys would kill the Starks. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus\_alba](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quercus_alba/32/4061_2.png) [@Quercus\_alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus_alba)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/208 "2013-06-13T01:53:39Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > I agree, and I think this is why the final scene with Dany is important. Unlike the vast majority of potential rulers of Westeros, she actually gives two shits about the common people. She’s not planning on setting up a representative republic with human rights enshrined in a constitution or anything like that, but she’s still preferable to every other contender for the Iron Throne. (At least with respect to _inclination_; I have no idea if she would be _competent_ at governing.) Listen, strange women raisin’dragons is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some flyin’ lizard… ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/209 "2013-06-13T04:41:28Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Agreed; Tywin’s concerned with the loss of resources, not human rights. He’s also concerned with appearances, which is why he gave himself plausible deniability regarding exactly how the Freys would kill the Starks. maybe this was covered but how does this relate to the story Bran told about the eating of the children. He said the greatest sin was killing a guest under your protection or something like that. Doesn’t that sort of set Walder Frey up to be easily taken down by the Lannisters when they choose to do so? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/210 "2013-06-13T05:09:10Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > Ah, found the new theme song! > > [Game of Thrones - Season 4: HODOR with DRAGON GLASS!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0nS8u6Td5I) These sort of things and all the pics and gifs are what make these threads the best. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/211 "2013-06-13T06:07:05Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > They use [Northern Inuit Dog](http://dogable.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Northern-Inuit1.jpg)to play the direwolves. They used Northern Inuit Dogs when the direwolves were younger. Now they use real wolves scaled larger with CGI. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/212 "2013-06-13T06:35:30Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Well, power plays beyond “trusted advisor to the king.” Varys is talking about Littlefinger getting an actual army and everything. Yeah, Littlefinger has a lot of de jure power, his de facto power is whomever he can fuck over. I think a Harrelhal army could come, but it would take a long time (clean the corpses first?). Tyrion, I feel, is a semi-crappy plotter. But I know he’s your (every GoT fan’s) favorite character! Those 3 guys will definitely be at each other’s throats. Well, Pycelle seems less plot-important thus far. > [@Quercus\_alba](#): > > Listen, strange women raisin’dragons is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some flyin’ lizard… I support the People’s Liberation Front of Yunkai. And not the jerks in the Yunkaish Liberation Front. The Front of Liberating Yunkai is right out. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/213 "2013-06-13T06:37:00Z")
Varys has shown that he really does care about the welfare of King’s Landing. Varys supports Tyrion because he knows Tyrion is a decent man who will actually do his best to see to the welfare of King’s Landing and everyone in it. Now, you can say that Varys cares about KL because he’s a big fish there and anywhere else he’d be just another eunuch, and that might even be true, but the fact remains that Varys consistently works to serve King’s Landing. So why did he try to get Shae to leave? He _said_ why: Shae distracts Tyrion, she is his weakness. I see no reason to doubt that Varys was being entirely sincere in that scene. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/214 "2013-06-13T09:03:26Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > I am starting to wonder if Dany will ever come back to Westeros at all. She seems to be doing a pretty good job of conquering “Easteros” (I have no idea what it is called). She doesn’t need to come back to Westeros right this very second. The dragons are not mature enough, not big enough and still in training. Her military forces are on the small side, and good enough for bashing slavers, but against the armies of the west, they dont have enough depth to cover everything from winterfell to Kings landing. The way the white walkers and every other undead thing are coming down south, she may end up entering westeros as a saviour instead of an invader. I imagine actual dragon fire would do just as well or better than dragon glass for taking down White walkers. Declan ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/215 "2013-06-13T13:45:26Z")
Sansa grew up with two older brothers, a tomboy kid sister, and in a castle with dozens of soldiers and peasants. There is absolutely no way she hasn’t heard the word ‘shit’ before. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/216 "2013-06-13T14:02:41Z")
Yeah, that wasn’t believable. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/217 "2013-06-13T14:07:34Z")
Actually, I assumed when she said “sheep shift” that shift was the Westeros equivalent of shit. Like how they use ser instead of sir or maestre instead of master. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/218 "2013-06-13T14:12:11Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Actually, I assumed when she said “sheep shift” that shift was the Westeros equivalent of shit. Like how they use ser instead of sir or maestre instead of master. If that’s the case Tyrion wouldn’t have had to ask what she meant by “shift.” ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/219 "2013-06-13T14:13:03Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Actually, I assumed when she said “sheep shift” that shift was the Westeros equivalent of shit. Like how they use ser instead of sir or maestre instead of master. “When you take such a noisome shift in the torlette, pray spray some Essence of Fey-breeze!” said Maester Benjimin to Ser Fraynklin. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/220 "2013-06-13T15:17:17Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Actually, I assumed when she said “sheep shift” that shift was the Westeros equivalent of shit. Like how they use ser instead of sir or maestre instead of master. > [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > If that’s the case Tyrion wouldn’t have had to ask what she meant by “shift.” And also there’s the fact that people say “shit” all the time on the show. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539.md?page=12)