# Game of Thrones 3.10 "Mhysa" 6/9/2013 No book discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 9, 2013, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539 "2013-06-09T11:27:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/61 "2013-06-10T14:05:03Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Has Sam gotten around to telling anyone that dragon glass knives will kill a white walker? It’s a key plot point, and giving it to the biggest idiot in the storyline means that Sam will either not recognize the point or forget to tell anyone. Yes - he handed out a bunch of them to Hodor and Bran, and mentioned several times that he killed a white walker with them. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/62 "2013-06-10T14:06:00Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Yes - he handed out a bunch of them to Hodor and Bran, and mentioned several times that he killed a white walker with them. First one in thousands of years! ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/63 "2013-06-10T14:06:00Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > He basically said that the gods weren’t angry for killing or other such acts, but instead because you welcomed a guest to your hospitality, then killed them. Cut camera to Walder Frey - a subtle connection and bit of foreshadowing, that… I thought for sure that Bolton was going to kill him in that scene. Make Frey the scapegoat for murdering his guests and claim that he has brought justice to the North, thus making the people there more likely to follow him. He did all his killing behind closed doors and if he can take out Frey’s inner circle, he looks like he’s returning balance to the North by punishing those that break custom. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/64 "2013-06-10T14:10:42Z")
> [@HammerJoe](#): > > I was surprised that in this episode they didnt show that kings landing got the raven from the wall about the night watch army. > They showed Stannis and it was serious enough for him to shift focus to it. > Does this not affect kings landing? Are they so far south that winter doesnt get there? Dragonstone is about ~200 miles North of King’s Landing. It gets approximately the same climate, with the understanding that Dragonstone is an island. Both of them are pretty far away from the wall. Estimates of 2500 miles. You’d have to be really in tune to the land and the state of the Kingdom to really care what happens that far North. > [@What\_the](#): > > Nah… she had to do it. > [@DigitalC](#): > > Yeah, when Jon Snow says “I don’t know a lot of things but i know you won’t shoot me” you pretty much have to. I don’t think that Ygrette shot Jon because he dared her not to. I don’t know if it was quite so much a conscious decision, but I look at it exactly the same as Jon’s fight with Qhorin Halfhand at the end of Season 2. Jon needs to join the Wildlings and Qhorin knows he can’t just walk up and say “I’m one of you now!” It had to be convincing. Jon’s been MIA for months now. He suddenly shows up and what’s his story? What’s more convincing? “I killed Qhorin and I’ve been chilling with the Wildlings, but it’s all cool now. I’m back. What’s for supper?” or “I was held captive for months and finally managed to escape. Barely.” ---
**Author:** ![HammerJoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a6a055/32.png) [@HammerJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HammerJoe)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/65 "2013-06-10T14:16:41Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > I bet he meant the night walker army. And so far as I know, we don’t know what their intentions are, much less their strategy. Yes, Thank you for the clarification. I get confused with all these names… LOL ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/66 "2013-06-10T14:19:32Z")
I seriously doubt Ygritte put three arrows in him to make his story more believable. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/67 "2013-06-10T14:24:32Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Jon’s been MIA for months now. He suddenly shows up and what’s his story? What’s more convincing? “I killed Qhorin and I’ve been chilling with the Wildlings, but it’s all cool now. I’m back. What’s for supper?” > or > “I was held captive for months and finally managed to escape. Barely.” I don’t think that is all that necessary, unless Jon is playing both sides. He doesn’t know about what happened at Crasters. I think he’d assume his group made it back to Castle Black and he’ll be able to give his report to the boss. He’s already a bit cut up from the eagle fight, did he need to take an arrow to the knee? ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/68 "2013-06-10T14:25:45Z")
The way RR Martin disposes so freely of main characters who seem to be making progress in overthrowing evil I could easily see Joffrey having his entire family executed in one fell swoop. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/69 "2013-06-10T14:32:58Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I don’t think that is all that necessary, unless Jon is playing both sides. > He doesn’t know about what happened at Crasters. I think he’d assume his group made it back to Castle Black and he’ll be able to give his report to the boss. He’s already a bit cut up from the eagle fight, did he need to take an arrow to the knee? As I said, I don’t think Ygritte was consciously thinking “I need to make his story believable. Let me fire a few arrows at him.” But that’s exactly what she did. Fortunately, she avoided the knee, so Jon has plenty of days as an adventurer left in him. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/70 "2013-06-10T14:57:04Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > > [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > > > Has Sam gotten around to telling anyone that dragon glass knives will kill a white walker? It’s a key plot point, and giving it to the biggest idiot in the storyline means that Sam will either not recognize the point or forget to tell anyone. > > Yes - he handed out a bunch of them to Hodor and Bran, and mentioned several times that he killed a white walker with them. But did he tell the maestre from the Night’s Watch? Because I’d be trying to find more obsidian/dragonglass if I were him. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/71 "2013-06-10T15:00:54Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > But did he tell the maestre from the Night’s Watch? Because I’d be trying to find more obsidian/dragonglass if I were him. I’d be really surprised if he didn’t, though we weren’t shown directly. I’d think even Gilly is smart enough to mention that little bit of fact, and I’m sure that she’s probably going around mentioning that “I named my kid ‘Sam’ because Sam killed a white walker to protect me!”. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/72 "2013-06-10T15:17:27Z")
Kill Tyrion? Not a chance. I said it here last season and I’m saying it again now: Kicking Tyrion (and Arya) around is way too much fun for the Gods (ie GRRM) and way too entertaining for the audience to let them actually get killed. Not going to happen, not no way, not no how. Not a chance. They’ll suffer torments aplenty and be threatened with death and worse, but they’ll survive to suffer again. The other two characters with plot immortality are Dany and Jon. Kill either of them off and their whole subplot dies with them. Possibly at some future point they’ll be replaced in terms of being plot engines, but not for the forseeable future. Anyone else: death is always a possibility. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/73 "2013-06-10T15:30:47Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > As I said, I don’t think Ygritte was consciously thinking “I need to make his story believable. Let me fire a few arrows at him.” But that’s exactly what she did. > Fortunately, she avoided the knee, so Jon has plenty of days as an adventurer left in him. Golf clap. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/74 "2013-06-10T15:31:06Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > plot immortality I like that term. I think that Bron might qualify as well. Though if Jon Snow really has a major role to play in Westeros, Bron and Rickon might have to die off to make him the last surviving male heir to Winterfell (though they keep reinforcing that those who have taken the Black have renounced all claims to any titles). ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/75 "2013-06-10T15:35:37Z")
The plot would not change at all if they took out Bronn. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/76 "2013-06-10T15:36:38Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Kill Tyrion? Not a chance. > > I said it here last season and I’m saying it again now: Kicking Tyrion (and Arya) around is way too much fun for the Gods (ie GRRM) and way too entertaining for the audience to let them actually get killed. Not going to happen, not no way, not no how. Not a chance. They’ll suffer torments aplenty and be threatened with death and worse, but they’ll survive to suffer again. > > The other two characters with plot immortality are Dany and Jon. Kill either of them off and their whole subplot dies with them. Possibly at some future point they’ll be replaced in terms of being plot engines, but not for the forseeable future. > > Anyone else: death is always a possibility. … Okay, I was extremely tired by the end, but didn’t Jon die at the end of the episode? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/77 "2013-06-10T15:36:47Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > I don’t think Tyrion would do that - has he actually killed anyone (directly or indirectly)? I don’t think so (but I can’t remember). Yes. He beat a man to death with a shield while he was Cat’s prisoner, during the ambush. He probably killed at least one more at Blackwater, when he led the counterattack at the gate, and we saw him chop a man’s leg off with his ax. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/78 "2013-06-10T15:37:00Z")
He means Bran, and life wouldn’t be worth living without Bronn. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/79 "2013-06-10T15:42:21Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > … > > Okay, I was extremely tired by the end, but didn’t Jon die at the end of the episode? Nope. He opened his eyes and said hi to Sam, and they carried him up into the castle to be cared for. And yeah - I meant Bran. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/80 "2013-06-10T15:43:14Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Yes. He beat a man to death with a shield while he was Cat’s prisoner, during the ambush. He probably killed at least one more at Blackwater, when he led the counterattack at the gate, and we saw him chop a man’s leg off with his ax. My wife and I are going to rewatch the series before next season, so hopefully this time around that sort of stuff will stick - I have no memory of the shield beating. As to the counter attack at the gate, wasn’t he taken out pretty early? The leg-chop does ring some bells though. > [@Munch](#): > > Nope. He opened his eyes and said hi to Sam, and they carried him up into the castle to be cared for. > > And yeah - I meant Bran. Hm…I guess he’s made of some fairly stern stuff then. I pretty much wrote him off as dead (or dying). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539.md?page=5)