# Game of Thrones 3.10 "Mhysa" 6/9/2013 No book discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 9, 2013, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539 "2013-06-09T11:27:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/81 "2013-06-10T15:54:48Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > My wife and I are going to rewatch the series before next season, so hopefully this time around that sort of stuff will stick - I have no memory of the shield beating. We re-watched the first two seasons right before this one started. There’s so much going on in this show, it’s very easy to forget or overlook some of the details. We’ll probably re-watch at least season 3 before the next season begins. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/82 "2013-06-10T15:56:49Z")
Anyone else giggle at Davos and “nigget”? Shades of Monty Python. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/83 "2013-06-10T16:06:33Z")
I think it is a fool’s game to try and predict GRRM will do with his characters, to be honest. I saw an interview where he said he wasn’t trying go against readers expectations so much as he wasn’t trying to make them dictate the story. If in his mind the “good” guys triumph is best for the story so be it, and vice versa. But it is more complicated than that, people die all over the place for various reasons and in various ways. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/84 "2013-06-10T16:07:58Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Anyone else giggle at Davos and “nigget”? Shades of Monty Python. That amused me even more than (warning! Star Trek movie spoiler ahead!) Spock yelling “Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!” ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/85 "2013-06-10T16:24:45Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Now that “no one is safe” I wasn’t expecting Jon to make it away from the pond. And then I was really worried for Gendry. > My dream team of King Stannis- Gendry as heir- Davos as hand seems to have fallen apart. I don’t think that it’s “no one is safe”. They don’t just kill of characters randomly. Whenever a major character is killed, it is to drive the story. > [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > The Tywin/Tyrion scene and the Stannis/Davos scene were interesting for hitting the same beats. Tywin saw the Stark massacre as more “moral” since it would save thousands and Stannis was still willing to sacrifice Gendry to save thousands. However decapitating (both figuratively and literally) the leadership an enemy army is different from killing some random blacksmith boy as part of a religious service. > [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I am curious if Arya’s forgiven the Hound or if she’s still on his list. I am also curious what the Hounds wants with her now. What is she bent out of shape with the Hound over? Because he killed her friend and because he served Jeoffrey? > [@WordMan](#): > > I have NOT read the books or read stuff online, and here’s my conjecture: Dany is being positioned as, hmm…“inevitable”? - as the powerful, magic, charismatic leader destined for the Iron Throne. So that means something will happen next season to throw all that in doubt. Meanwhile, the Starks have been left without leaders, power or hope - which suggests that Sansa will end up rising up as a not-so-innocent political insider getting tips from Tyrion on how to wield influence - and Arya will continue on her road to take-no-prisoners badassery. I haven’t read the books, but the Starks are out of the King of Westeros game. At this point, it’s about John Snow and Bran fighting the Walkers on the Wall and Arya’s tale of bloody Kill Bill revenge. Sansa’s story is tied to however the Lannister family conflicts finally resolve themselves. > [@RyJae](#): > > What was the story Bran was telling? I caught the end and it seems some God dislikes killing those under your roof? I know it relates to Frey or was a warning about what happens to Frey but until I get the episode on DVR (forgot last night ☹ ) it is bugging me. Some guy who got turned into a rat for killing a King’s son and feeding it to him. It wasn’t the murder or cannibalism that cursed him. It was breaking the sacred oath of protecting a guest under your roof. I assume it’s foreshadowing some negative consequences for Frey. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/86 "2013-06-10T16:49:08Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I don’t think that it’s “no one is safe”. They don’t just kill of characters randomly. Whenever a major character is killed, it is to drive the story. The story changes and shifts though. Robb and Kat’s story’s weren’t by any means done or resolved (unless you count “death” as a resolution) but the focus of the story shifted making them expendable to the plot. > [@msmith537](#): > > However decapitating (both figuratively and literally) the leadership an enemy army is different from killing some random blacksmith boy as part of a religious service. Not if it gets one closer to the Iron Throne. > [@msmith537](#): > > What is she bent out of shape with the Hound over? Because he killed her friend and because he served Jeoffrey? Killing the Butcher boy and probably his service to Goffrey. The Hound was on her hit-list prayer that she said every night–the Lanisters were as well, but I can’t remember who else. > [@msmith537](#): > > I haven’t read the books, but the Starks are out of the King of Westeros game. At this point, it’s about John Snow and Bran fighting the Walkers on the Wall and Arya’s tale of bloody Kill Bill revenge. Sansa’s story is tied to however the Lannister family conflicts finally resolve themselves. The Starks are out of the “war of kings,” but not out of the running for the iron throne in the long game–assuming there is a kingdom to be ruled when/if they survive what’s coming to the wall. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/87 "2013-06-10T16:51:46Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Killing the Butcher boy and probably his service to Goffrey. The Hound was on her hit-list prayer that she said every night–the Lanisters were as well, but I can’t remember who else. Ser Ilyn Payne for chopping of Ned’s head and Polliver for killing her friend and stealing needle. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/88 "2013-06-10T17:11:44Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Hey, at least we found out that Sam has more “dragon glass” knives and didn’t just leave an important weapon behind… > > … Yes, that was good to know. I was so annoyed with him about that, however even though he had extra he still could have grabbed that one before running off. But now I have to wonder if Sam is really that fat or if he’s just carrying around so much extra stuff he just looks that way. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/89 "2013-06-10T20:39:51Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Yeah, when Jon Snow says “I don’t know a lot of things but i know you won’t shoot me” you pretty much have to. Jon Snow really does know nothing…yet survives somehow. > [@HammerJoe](#): > > It seems obvious to me that Joffrey is going to be killed at some point seeing that he seemed to pretty much piss everybody Tywin included. Even Cersei is realizing that. That scene had everyone :dubious: at Jeoffrey, even Cersei. I think that scene alone will make Jeoffrey take another step closer towards Murderous Psychoticwood. > [@](#): > > I was surprised that in this episode they didnt show that kings landing got the raven from the wall about the night watch army. > They showed Stannis and it was serious enough for him to shift focus to it. > Does this not affect kings landing? Are they so far south that winter doesnt get there? It is funny that a Lord of an island with two weeks of rowing in a little boat away from Kings Landing would be more concerned with the white walkers than a whole city on the same continent with the white walkers. > [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Has Sam gotten around to telling anyone that dragon glass knives will kill a white walker? It’s a key plot point, and giving it to the biggest idiot in the storyline means that Sam will either not recognize the point or forget to tell anyone. SEASON 4: HODOR with DRAGON GLASS! Freaking Awesome! > [@RyJae](#): > > First one in thousands of years! I guess they were not aware that Jon Snow torched one at Castle Black…maybe Sam forgot to tell them that. ---
**Author:** ![Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fake_Tales_of_San_Francisco)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/90 "2013-06-10T20:48:15Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > The story changes and shifts though. Robb and Kat’s story’s weren’t by any means done or resolved (unless you count “death” as a resolution) but the focus of the story shifted making them expendable to the plot. Death is certainly a resolution. Robb’s story is a take on the traditional tragedy, in the spirit of Macbeth, etc. The Starks were doomed the moment Robb broke his oath. The story didn’t really shift, it was always going to go down this route. It’s by no means random. > [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > It is funny that a Lord of an island with two weeks of rowing in a little boat away from Kings Landing would be more concerned with the white walkers than a whole city on the same continent with the white walkers. Nobody really believes they really exist. Only Tyrion in King’s Landing took the Night’s Watch seriously. But Davos has seen shadow babies. He knows magic is real. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/91 "2013-06-10T20:50:32Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > I guess they were not aware that Jon Snow torched one at Castle Black…maybe Sam forgot to tell them that. That wasn’t a white walker. That was a…zombie? Let me look up what they’re called in this universe. Wights. The White Walkers have the power to reanimate the dead and turn them into wights, and that’s what attacked Jon. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/92 "2013-06-10T20:51:22Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > . . . I guess they were not aware that Jon Snow torched one at Castle Black…maybe Sam forgot to tell them that. Jon killed a zombified human, Sam killed a White Walker - they’re related (it appears the WWs raise people from the dead to be their zombie army), but distinct. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/93 "2013-06-10T21:06:21Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > Jon killed a zombified human, Sam killed a White Walker - they’re related (it appears the WWs raise people from the dead to be their zombie army), but distinct. White Walkers are worth more experience points, but appear to drop no loot. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/94 "2013-06-10T21:07:33Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > I guess they were not aware that Jon Snow torched one at Castle Black…maybe Sam forgot to tell them that. Jon torched a zombie, not a white Walker. Remember the finale of season 2. There were dozens if not hundreds of zombies, but only a couple white walkers. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/95 "2013-06-10T21:21:41Z")
According to imdb, his name is spelled Joffrey. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/96 "2013-06-10T21:50:29Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > That wasn’t a white walker. That was a…zombie? Let me look up what they’re called in this universe. > Wights. The White Walkers have the power to reanimate the dead and turn them into wights, and that’s what attacked Jon. > [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > Jon killed a zombified human, Sam killed a White Walker - they’re related (it appears the WWs raise people from the dead to be their zombie army), but distinct. > [@clairobscur](#): > > Jon torched a zombie, not a white Walker. Remember the finale of season 2. There were dozens if not hundreds of zombies, but only a couple white walkers. I guess I missed that distinction somewhere…I just assumed they were all white walkers because they were uh…white, and they were walking. Did I miss a certain scene were that distinction was made…OR do you guys know something that is not in the TV series? :dubious: > [@Oakminster](#): > > White Walkers are worth more experience points, but appear to drop no loot. When I get home, I’m gonna punch your momma in the mouth! ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/97 "2013-06-10T21:51:44Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > According to imdb, his name is spelled Joffrey. So noted, even though he’s Tywin’s Little Bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/98 "2013-06-10T21:56:16Z")
> [@Yeticus\_Rex](#): > > I guess I missed that distinction somewhere…I just assumed they were all white walkers because they were uh…white, and they were walking. Did I miss a certain scene were that distinction was made…OR do you guys know something that is not in the TV series? :dubious: [White walker](http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/White_Walkers?file=White_Walker_2x10.jpg) (image from the show) [Jon Snow’s zombie kill](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2TlSM-2SyI) I’d say the distinction isn’t all that vague. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/99 "2013-06-10T21:57:36Z")
I certainly don’t think Ygritte put three arrows in Jon to help his story, but I do think if she wanted him dead, he’d be dead. I think she was caught between her duty and her love for him and as a result injured rather than killed him. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/100 "2013-06-10T21:59:00Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > I really liked many of the individual scenes, but as a whole, this felt a little administrative for a finale. Lots of “we need to tie up this section of the plot, and we need to move these chess pieces here for next season, and people will be mad if we don’t check in on this person” kind of stuff. > > I did LOVE the scene with Jaime returning to Cersei. It’s a short scene with one word of dialog, but you could sit someone down who knew nothing about GoT to watch it, and they’d understand almost the whole story between the two. Was it just me, or did their final looks communicate that she isn’t as thrilled as she would be to have all of him back? > > Arya prison-shanking that Frey was pretty harsh (not that I felt bad for him). It’s not the first person she’s killed, but this time it was less panic and more planning. > To be fair, he did somehow change the entire structure of his face in seconds around that time, so literally thinking he could appear in a puff of smoke wouldn’t be too irrational. When did Arya kill someone before? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539.md?page=6)