# Game of Thrones 3.10 "Mhysa" 6/9/2013 No book discussion

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [June 9, 2013, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539 "2013-06-09T11:27:34Z")\
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**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/101 "2013-06-10T22:10:29Z")

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When escaping from king’s landing. She stabbed a stable boy.

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**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/102 "2013-06-10T22:21:29Z")

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> [@DigitalC](#):
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> I’m looking forward to a million “dick in a box” meme pictures.

My brother made [this gif](http://i.imgur.com/pOLhLaZ.gif) yesterday.

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**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/103 "2013-06-10T22:22:48Z")

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> [@DigitalC](#):
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> When escaping from king’s landing. She stabbed a stable boy.

Thanks, I’d forgotten that one.

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**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/104 "2013-06-10T22:37:50Z")

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> [@Push\_You\_Down](#):
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> Not if it gets one closer to the Iron Throne.

I think whether killing Gendry gets anyone closer to anything is very much up for debate.

> [@Enderw24](#):
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> That wasn’t a white walker. That was a…zombie? Let me look up what they’re called in this universe.  
> Wights. The White Walkers have the power to reanimate the dead and turn them into wights, and that’s what attacked Jon.

Then shouldn’t they be called “wight walkers”?

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**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/105 "2013-06-10T22:46:25Z")

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> [@Push\_You\_Down](#):
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> I am curious if Arya’s forgiven the Hound or if she’s still on his list. I am also curious what the Hounds wants with her now.

The Hound is actually a bit of a softy when it comes to the Stark girls.

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**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/106 "2013-06-10T22:52:18Z")

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> [@Waenara](#):
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> My brother made [this gif](http://i.imgur.com/pOLhLaZ.gif) yesterday.

HAH, that’s perfect.

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**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/107 "2013-06-10T23:19:24Z")

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It would be perfect if Theon brought his box up chest level, actually, but I realize the source material is a limitation!

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**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/108 "2013-06-10T23:26:41Z")

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> [@Push\_You\_Down](#):
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> The Tywin/Tyrion scene and the Stannis/Davos scene were interesting for hitting the same beats. Tywin saw the Stark massacre as more “moral” since it would save thousands and Stannis was still willing to sacrifice Gendry to save thousands.

It’s pretty obvious that Tywin was just using the “saving thousands” line as a self-serving excuse. That’s clearly what Tyrion thought.

Most of the high born in Westeros couldn’t care less about the low born and Tywin has never seemed like an exception.

As for Stannis, he wasn’t saying that sacrificing his nephew would be justified by saving thousands but it was an appropriate sacrifice to save a kingdom.

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**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/109 "2013-06-10T23:33:36Z")

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Am I remembering this wrong, or did Theon’s sister pretend to be a commoner to measure Theon, and he tried to be all cokcy and seduce her, which repulsed her? Then their dad revealed that she was his sister and was better than Theon, and gave the sister more ships and respect? Then later she mocks him some more when she finds him again and learns that his men won’t respect him?

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I thought the sister considered Theon kind of an idiot, so I was surprised that she was so gung ho on rescuing him.

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**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/110 "2013-06-10T23:35:20Z")

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It didn’t seem to repulse her, she went along with it. Probably just to embarrass him, but you know, sisters being attracted to brothers isn’t that unusual in this universe.

She does consider him kind of an idiot, but she still cares. When she pleaded for him to retreat from Winterfell, she gave an emotional story about remembering him as a child.

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**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/111 "2013-06-10T23:35:40Z")

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Theon is kind of an idiot, how else would she consider him? He’s still her brother, some people still seem to care about that.

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**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/112 "2013-06-10T23:52:00Z")

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> [@Munch](#):
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> [White walker](http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/White_Walkers?file=White_Walker_2x10.jpg) (image from the show)  
> [Jon Snow’s zombie kill](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2TlSM-2SyI)
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> I’d say the distinction isn’t all that vague.

I thought they were all white walkers, but just at different levels of decaying whitishiness.

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**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\
**Post date:** [June 10, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/113 "2013-06-10T23:55:00Z")

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> [@SenorBeef](#):
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> When she pleaded for him to retreat from Winterfell, she gave an emotional story about remembering him as a child.

OK makes sense, I forgot about that.

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**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\
**Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/114 "2013-06-11T00:00:34Z")

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> [@msmith537](#):
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> I think whether killing Gendry gets anyone closer to anything is very much up for debate.

Well, sure. I didn’t say it wasn’t. Stannis and Melisandre certainly believe that sacrificing Gendry would bring Stannis closer.

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**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\
**Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/115 "2013-06-11T00:49:45Z")

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> [@Waenara](#):
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> My brother made [this gif](http://i.imgur.com/pOLhLaZ.gif) yesterday.

shouldn’t Theon’s box fall when he let’s go?

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**Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/116 "2013-06-11T01:27:26Z")

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> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#):
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> Most of the high born in Westeros couldn’t care less about the low born and Tywin has never seemed like an exception.

I agree, and I think this is why the final scene with Dany is important. Unlike the vast majority of potential rulers of Westeros, she actually gives two shits about the common people. She’s not planning on setting up a representative republic with human rights enshrined in a constitution or anything like that, but she’s still preferable to every other contender for the Iron Throne. (At least with respect to _inclination_; I have no idea if she would be _competent_ at governing.)

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**Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/117 "2013-06-11T01:40:06Z")

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> [@Push\_You\_Down](#):
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> Well, sure. I didn’t say it wasn’t. Stannis and Melisandre certainly believe that sacrificing Gendry would bring Stannis closer.

I noticed that the Previously On scenes included the bit in which Stannis put one of the leeches in the fire and said Robb Stark’s name. I think the reason is that we’re expected to understand that Stannis believes the leech ritual led to the death of Robb Stark.

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**Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/118 "2013-06-11T02:00:41Z")

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3 leeches, 3 deaths?

One down!

Can’t remember who else is twixt Stannis and his throne other than the Lannisters…? Think they named names during the leech ritual, but damned if I can remember who.

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**Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/119 "2013-06-11T02:05:21Z")

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Robb Stark, Balon Greyjoy and Joffrey.

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**Post date:** [June 11, 2013, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-3-10-mhysa-6-9-2013-no-book-discussion/660539/120 "2013-06-11T02:07:26Z")

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> [@Taomist](#):
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> 3 leeches, 3 deaths?
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> One down!
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> Can’t remember who else is twixt Stannis and his throne other than the Lannisters…? Think they named names during the leech ritual, but damned if I can remember who.

Three names – Robb Stark, Joffrey Lannister and Balon Greyjoy. I have no idea why Balon Greyjoy was on Mel’s list. Did he do something to Stannis back in the day?

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