# Game of Thrones 4.02 "The Lion and the Rose" 4/13/14 \[NO SPOILERS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2014, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016 "2014-04-13T14:48:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/61 "2014-04-14T04:55:52Z")
If you say so. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/62 "2014-04-14T04:57:44Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > In this situation, Bronn would be toast if he stayed in King’s Landing. Even with Jamie as his new secret patron, I don’t see how he can stay around. Well, he does know of a very good secluded place to hide out… ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/63 "2014-04-14T05:10:46Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Thanks. That was pointless. Look closer ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/64 "2014-04-14T05:21:13Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Look closer The pointless part was the annoying nested spoiler boxes…for a scene that aired tonight. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/65 "2014-04-14T05:23:59Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Thanks. That was pointless. Geez…nice observational skills there. There’s obviously a crystal missing after Olenna has put her hand on Sansa’s shoulder, which suggests that Olenna took that crystal. What other scene in the series involved purple crystals? I edited to spoiler that sentence but this is a thread about an episode that has been aired, and it’s not a book spoiler, so I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/66 "2014-04-14T05:26:45Z")
Well that was a really annoying post **AClockworkMelon**. Do you think posting seven nested spoiler tags just to show a screen capture from the episode the thread is about is somehow clever? ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Why_Bother)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/67 "2014-04-14T05:29:12Z")
If you people had bothered to…oh, I dunno, _read the books_, you’d have known who arranged Joffrey’s murder _years_ ago. For those who care it’s: Hot Pie! Bet you’d forgotten all about him, hadn’t you 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/68 "2014-04-14T05:35:02Z")
> [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](#): > > If you people had bothered to…oh, I dunno, _read the books_, you’d have known who arranged Joffrey’s murder _years_ ago. For those who care it’s: > > Hot Pie! > > Bet you’d forgotten all about him, hadn’t you 😉 Note: that post is a joke, not an actual spoiler. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/69 "2014-04-14T05:46:23Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Well that was a really annoying post **AClockworkMelon**. Do you think posting seven nested spoiler tags just to show a screen capture from the episode the thread is about is somehow clever? I wasn’t trying to be clever. In my desire to avoid one group of complainers I’ve stumbled into another. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/70 "2014-04-14T06:16:15Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Note: that post is a joke, not an actual spoiler. Actually, it’s Dexter Morgan (known in Westeros as Ser Dekkister Morggun). How he went from Miami to Westeros (by way of lumber jacking) is to be explained in Martin’s next book, A BATH WITH OTTERS. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/71 "2014-04-14T06:17:37Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > I wasn’t trying to be clever. In my desire to avoid one group of complainers I’ve stumbled into another. Why are you being deliberately obtuse? The spoiler policy is clear and unambiguous, trivially easy to understand. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/72 "2014-04-14T06:23:48Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Why are you being deliberately obtuse? The spoiler policy is clear and unambiguous, trivially easy to understand. Because it wouldn’t be a season of GoT without some sort of spoiler drama. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/73 "2014-04-14T06:25:50Z")
Were Ramsay’s lady friend and victim the prostitutes from Theon’s emasculation scene? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/74 "2014-04-14T07:35:57Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Were Ramsay’s lady friend and victim the prostitutes from Theon’s emasculation scene? That’s what I thought too, but then it seemed like his hunter friend was his actual girlfriend, and I can’t imagine him letting his girlfriend go that far with Reek. But dog food kinda sorta reminded me of one of those prostitutes. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/75 "2014-04-14T07:38:51Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > 10/10 Much better than previous wedding. Would attend again. 😃 > [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > [spoiler]Are you sure you want to see it? It’s a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it-moment.[spoiler]Are you positive?[spoiler]Really?[Spoiler]By opening this you’re agreeing that it isn’t a spoiler because it’s only content from the show.[spoiler]I warned you.[spoiler]Here we go![spoiler][http://s4.postimg.org/41uffumr1/Olenna1.png](http://s4.postimg.org/41uffumr1/Olenna1.png) > > [http://s14.postimg.org/4y1amq9j5/Olenna2.png[/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler]](http://s14.postimg.org/4y1amq9j5/Olenna2.png%5B/spoiler%5D%5B/spoiler%5D%5B/spoiler%5D%5B/spoiler%5D%5B/spoiler%5D%5B/spoiler%5D%5B/spoiler%5D) I’ve no problem with your spoiler, but your links bring me to a blank page. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/76 "2014-04-14T07:43:28Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I’ve no problem with your spoiler, but your links bring me to a blank page. ☹ Hrm. Try copy/pasting them into your address bar rather than clicking maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/77 "2014-04-14T07:54:38Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > What motive would Margaery have for poisoning her husband? She doesn’t get any power now. That’s my question, too: the Tyrells aren’t going to get their money’s worth from this wedding; since the marriage wasn’t consummated the marriage doesn’t legally count, so she inherits nothing. Is anyone else going to volunteer to marry Margaery now? Two husbands; both dead before the marriage was consummated. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/78 "2014-04-14T07:59:56Z")
Also, remember Melisandre & Stannis’ cursing of the “usurpers”? Well, that’s Robb and Joffrey down, anyone willing to take a bet on Balon Greyjoy’s chances of long-term survival? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/79 "2014-04-14T08:03:29Z")
Liveposting : Glad to see the Bolton bastard is still his charming self. Are those the two girls he was torturing Theon with ? Will Bronn & Jaime be the new Hound & Arya ? I smell competing buddy cop movies. Varys ! I’ve missed you so much, you silk-draped gelding ! Aww, already over Gods, Joffrey, you don’t have to be such a little shit _all_ of the time. Take a break, sometime. Lots of cunts name their swords. Ah. The love triangle finally comes to a head. “I’m not afraid of them” ? Shae, are you an idiot ? “Them” killed a whole family of noblemen. You’re a lone commoner. Do the math. Is Tyrion speaking the truth ? Or just saying hurtful things to make her leave ? Hmm, is the idyll over between Stannis and his Red Priest ? He seems even more sour than I remember him. “Be careful, Bran ! If you Warg for too long you’ll get every single thing you want right now ! Just say no !” Dragon shadow on King’s Landing. Margy’s wedding dress is more conservative than I expected. But I see Cersei has inherited the Drowning Dress. “Better her than you” ? Tyrion, I know what you mean, but you realize that can be interpreted differently, right ? The Rains is hardly a wedding song, is it ? Ah, and now The Bear. Yup, them’s are the two songs in Westeros, we know. Wait, what ? Since when does Brienne love Jaime ? Overplaying your hand, Cersei my love. Much as I love the spiteful sentiment. Aaaah, a torrent of ice burns wrapped in the most exquisite politeness. It’s like Christmas dinner at the Kobals all over again. Gods, Joffrey, you don’t _have_ to be a little shit all the time ! You’re just angling for a pimp slap now, aren’t you ? Oh, hey, way to draw Sansa & Tyrion closer with your littleshittery. Well done, milord. Ding, dong, the bitch is dead ! So does GRRM have a thing against weddings without funerals or something ? So that was obviously Margaery or the QoT’s doing, but how did they poison him ? And is Maggie still Queen ? Technically, the marriage isn’t only half sealed, isn’t it ? I’d have waited until the wedding night at least. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/80 "2014-04-14T08:13:50Z")
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