# Game of Thrones 4.02 "The Lion and the Rose" 4/13/14 \[NO SPOILERS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2014, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016 "2014-04-13T14:48:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/161 "2014-04-14T20:55:19Z")
I suspect who killed Joffrey will be one of those things that will never be totally solved, like who killed Jon Arryn or was Robert Baratheon’s death intentional. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/162 "2014-04-14T20:57:52Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > This episode really filled me with disgust…so much wine spilled. So, we had the “Red Wedding” last year. And _this_ episode definitely qualifies as the “Purple Wedding”, along with Joffrey’s precious-looking, dark lavender face. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/163 "2014-04-14T20:58:25Z")
I liked the continuity tie in of last week’s Hound declaration that only cunts named their swords and then Joffrey immediately setting out to name his sword. As for whodunit? I would love for it to be something delightfully accidental and without intrigue like dove poop in the pie or a freak allergic reaction. Something that’s just a gentle reminder that sometimes shit happens. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/164 "2014-04-14T21:11:42Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Because look how well that deal worked for Ned Stark! Oh wait. Ned Stark was many things, but he was not a Lannister. > [@amanset](#): > > You appear to have had a stroke whilst typing. FSR ISTR = For Some Reason I Seem To Recall Cut me some slack here, I’m on an iPad. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/165 "2014-04-14T21:14:17Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Remember that Sansa warned them both that Joffrey is a monster. She has a good reason for not wanting her dear granddaughter to remain married to the guy for a moment longer than necessary. But ISTM it was LESS time than was necessary. What is her grand daughter’s position now? Unless she’s got something else up her sleeve, this wedding was meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/166 "2014-04-14T21:21:14Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > accidental […] like dove poop […] sometimes shit happens. _rimshot_ ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/167 "2014-04-14T21:24:32Z")
Great picture of Jack Gleeson out of character: [_There’s no cure for being a cunt._](http://i.imgur.com/nTDdyvt.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/168 "2014-04-14T21:44:21Z")
Finally, I watched this episode. As much as I was unconvinced by the previous one, this one was great, possibly the best I’ve seen so far. At least the marriage part was. We definitely need more marriages in this serie. Also, a last standing ovation to Jack Gleeson, he certainly deserves it. ---
**Author:** ![tonyfop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/85f322/32.png) [@tonyfop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tonyfop)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/169 "2014-04-14T22:02:11Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Great picture of Jack Gleeson out of character: [_There’s no cure for being a cunt._](http://i.imgur.com/nTDdyvt.jpg) Yes but this episode has proven that there is a cure. Poison is the perfect cure for cuntiness…er…cuntacity?cuntaciosness? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/170 "2014-04-14T22:05:20Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Also, a last standing ovation to Jack Gleeson, he certainly deserves it. Seriously, that little “look at me with my bad ass sword” prance he did every time he unsheated his sword was so freaking perfect. He really knocked that character out of the park, and this last episode was his best. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/171 "2014-04-14T23:01:28Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Seriously, that little “look at me with my bad ass sword” prance he did every time he unsheated his sword was so freaking perfect. He really knocked that character out of the park, and this last episode was his best. It’s funny, in a sense he was too ham and cheesy, but damn he made it work. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/172 "2014-04-14T23:15:51Z")
[QUOTE=pancake3] I liked the continuity tie in of last week’s Hound declaration that only cunts named their swords and then Joffrey immediately setting out to name his sword. [/QUOTE] He’d named his previous one, too. Heart Eater, Widows’ wail. Had a Warhammer 40k sensibility of what is cool, that one. > [@DigitalC](#): > > Seriously, that little “look at me with my bad ass sword” prance he did every time he unsheated his sword was so freaking perfect. He really knocked that character out of the park, and this last episode was his best. Well, it does help that he naturally has a \*very \*slappable face and smile. But yeah, he was darn good. Kind of a shame that he’s retiring from acting altogether, really. [QUOTE=clairobscur] We definitely need more marriages in this serie. [/QUOTE] What, the death rate not quick enough for you ? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/173 "2014-04-14T23:20:58Z")
…what if—What if he’s not actually dead? Shoot, we’ve seen plenty of weird shit happen on this show. ---
**Author:** ![chargerrich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chargerrich/32/5399_2.png) [@chargerrich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chargerrich)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/174 "2014-04-14T23:27:53Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > We know it couldn’t have been Tyrion. He had no way of knowing beforehand that he’d be humiliated that way, and no way of knowing which cup was poisoned. > > We also know that only one cup was poisoned, otherwise there would be more dead people. My guess is that Sansa is responsible because SHE had to get the cup from under the table, plenty of time to drop some poison. I have to admit though, I never NEVER saw Joffery’s death coming. I figured he was so hated that his death would be the show’s finale. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/175 "2014-04-14T23:34:49Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > …what if—What if he’s not actually dead? > > Shoot, we’ve seen plenty of weird shit happen on this show. Plenty, including… zombies! ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/176 "2014-04-15T00:02:33Z")
> [@chargerrich](#): > > My guess is that Sansa is responsible because SHE had to get the cup from under the table, plenty of time to drop some poison. > > I have to admit though, I never NEVER saw Joffery’s death coming. I figured he was so hated that his death would be the show’s finale. But really, that wouldn’t be in the GoT style any more than Ned surviving or Robb surviving would be. Joffrey was super-hatable but he was also totally incompetent, and he pissed off everyone on his own side. If GoT were going to have a hated baddie who survived all the way until the end it would be someone like Tywin or Roose Bolton (speaking purely speculatively here). ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/177 "2014-04-15T00:09:45Z")
I had a feeling something was going to happen during that ceremony. Any other Sigur Ros fans notice the band’s cameo appearance ? They were the three Troubadours Joffrey threw coins at. Great episode. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/178 "2014-04-15T00:41:38Z")
> [@chargerrich](#): > > My guess is that Sansa is responsible because SHE had to get the cup from under the table, plenty of time to drop some poison. The poison would have had to be liquid, and I don’t think Sansa would have needed much encouragement to vacate the area, if she were the one to have administered it. Declan ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/179 "2014-04-15T00:43:27Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > I had a feeling something was going to happen during that ceremony. > > Any other Sigur Ros fans notice the band’s cameo appearance ? They were the three Troubadours Joffrey threw coins at. > > Great episode. Yeah. It was announced ages ago that they’d have a cameo this season. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016/180 "2014-04-15T00:48:33Z")
I thought Tyrion giving gold to the dwarf performers was because he felt some sort of empathy for them. He knows that had he not been born into one of the most powerful Houses in Westeros, he would have been doomed to a similar existence - humiliating himself in front of crowds just so he can make a living. As for Joff’s goblet, he was drinking from the golden one that his father in law had given to him as a wedding present. It was very different from the other cups on the table. I think whoever poisoned Joffery was pretty confident that no one else would drink from that particular goblet - the king’s goblet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-02-the-lion-and-the-rose-4-13-14-no-spoilers/686016.md?page=10)