# Game of Thrones 4.05 "The First Of His Name" 5/4/14 NO SPOILERS **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679 "2014-05-05T00:46:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/181 "2014-05-06T16:40:00Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Little Finger’s strategy is to get as high up the ladder as he can WITHOUT warfare (though not without killing). The Veil makes a nice safe base but yeah, he’s not necessarily staging a military campaign from there. And don’t forget that he’s allied with the Tyrells, who run Dorne and are expected to have a royal heir. So he has a lot of friends in high places now. How he plays it from here is anybody’s guess. > [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > The Vale and The Eyrie are two different things. The Vale is the region, surrounded by mountains (hence the name Vale), with entry pretty much limited through the Bloody Gate. The Eyrie is the castle, which is way up in the mountains making it nigh impenetrable. Littlefinger comes from a tiny part of The Vale and he’s now in charge of the whole area. The benefits are obvious. I mean, technically Robin is in charge and either Littlefinger or Lysa are the regents until he comes of age, but does anyone think Littlefinger sees that as a major problem? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/182 "2014-05-06T16:43:11Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > Gendry and Arya became friends from when they were rounded up en route to the Wall for their respective protection before they were ambushed and sent to Harrehall. I think he was the first one to figure out that she was a girl. They escaped Harrenhall together thanks to the man with no face, got taken by the brotherhood without banners who gave Gendry up to Melisandre and somewhere along the way they lost the fat kid. > > This got me thinking though, Gendry and Poderick look like brothers to me. Gendry is like Pod’s handsome slightly older brother. Something to remember–Gendry and Arya weren’t just buddies, it was clearly young romance territory. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/183 "2014-05-06T16:45:15Z")
Thanks, all, for the recaps. I swear I’ve seen every episode; I should have taken better notes. 🙂 Now I’m just hanging around, waiting for the weekly link to Game of Thrones On Facebook. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/184 "2014-05-06T16:56:23Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > And don’t forget that he’s allied with the Tyrells, who run Dorne and are expected to have a royal heir. So he has a lot of friends in high places now. How he plays it from here is anybody’s guess. > > Littlefinger comes from a tiny part of The Vale and he’s now in charge of the whole area. The benefits are obvious. I mean, technically Robin is in charge and either Littlefinger or Lysa are the regents until he comes of age, but does anyone think Littlefinger sees that as a major problem? Didn’t Littlefinger come from Riverrun? Also, with all this talk, what are the seven Kingdoms? The Vale is one and I’m assuming Dorne and Winterfell are two more. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/185 "2014-05-06T17:00:40Z")
I feel like all of the Arya’s Lists should be updated to include: Tywin Lannister – Was suprisingly decent to Arya, though we think he had no idea who she was Also, Gendry… forgot all about him. He’s still out there, isn’t he? Onion stuck him on a boat. Interesting little loose end that’s still flopping about. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/186 "2014-05-06T17:02:02Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Something to remember–Gendry and Arya weren’t just buddies, it was clearly young romance territory. Really? I didn’t see it that way, at least not from his side. I got more little sister feelings off him but maybe I am misremembering. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/187 "2014-05-06T17:06:03Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Didn’t Littlefinger come from Riverrun? > > Also, with all this talk, what are the seven Kingdoms? The Vale is one and I’m assuming Dorne and Winterfell are two more. There are actually more than 7 – the Riverlands were part of the Greyjoy territory before the Targaryens. And the Crownlands were created by the Targaryens. 1. The North (Stark) 2. The Iron Islands (Greyjoy) 3. The Vale (Arryn) 4. The Riverlands (Tully) 5. The Crownlands 6. The Westerlands (Lannister) 7. The Reach (Tyrell) 8. Dorne (Martell) 9. The Stormlands (Baratheon) ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/188 "2014-05-06T17:12:16Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > There are actually more than 7 – the Riverlands were part of the Greyjoy territory before the Targaryens. And the Crownlands were created by the Targaryens. > > 1. The North (Stark) > 2. The Iron Islands (Greyjoy) > 3. The Vale (Arryn) > 4. The Riverlands (Tully) > 5. The Crownlands > 6. The Westerlands (Lannister) > 7. The Reach (Tyrell) > 8. Dorne (Martell) > 9. The Stormlands (Baratheon) The Riverlands is not a Kingdom. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/189 "2014-05-06T17:17:12Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Really? I didn’t see it that way, at least not from his side. I got more little sister feelings off him but maybe I am misremembering. “You would be my lady.” - Season 3 epi 5. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/190 "2014-05-06T17:18:03Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > The Eyrie is the castle, which is way up in the mountains making it nigh impenetrable. …except to dragons. I don’t see any reason why dragons wouldn’t be able to roast the inhabitants of the Eyrie at least as easily as they did at Harrenhal. Harrenhal was, from what Tywin told Arya, the strongest and most massive castle ever built. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/191 "2014-05-06T17:19:51Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > The Riverlands is not a Kingdom. The riverlands are a kingdom, the iron islands and the crownlads aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Vashbul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Vashbul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vashbul)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/192 "2014-05-06T17:20:25Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > The great [Wilko Johnson](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilko_Johnson) has cancer and won’t be portraying Ilyn Payne any more, but GoT has replaced major characters with different actors several times already. There’s no reason they couldn’t find another sinster looking bald guy if the story demands more Ilyn Payne. Ah, sad to hear he’s ill, but that same Wikipedia page said he had surgery (less than a week ago) and doctors were hopeful for a good result. And he’s outlived his original prognosis, so maybe he’ll live to scowl again on Sunday nights. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/193 "2014-05-06T17:20:35Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > And don’t forget that he’s allied with the Tyrells, who run Dorne and are expected to have a royal heir. So he has a lot of friends in high places now. D’oh. I confused Martell and Tyrell here. The Tyrells rule The Reach. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/194 "2014-05-06T17:26:54Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > “You would be my lady.” - Season 3 epi 5. Sunuva– Arya says that they would “be family” and he rebukes her with “We wouldn’t be family. You would be my lady.” meaning he’d always be below her. But Gendry always read as a little sad in that scene and I always took it as not a brush off of her, but showing how practical he is. It wouldn’t work between them because of status–not because he wasn’t interested. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/195 "2014-05-06T17:31:20Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > The Riverlands is not a Kingdom. > [@DigitalC](#): > > The riverlands are a kingdom, the iron islands and the crownlads aren’t. It’s moot because none of them are kingdoms any more. “The Seven Kingdoms” is a term referring to all nine regions together. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/196 "2014-05-06T17:39:14Z")
There was no pre-Targaryen king of the Riverlands (its king was the King of the Iron Islands) but under the Targaryens, the Riverlands and its Tully lord were of equal status with the other seven lords. ---
**Author:** ![chargerrich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chargerrich/32/5399_2.png) [@chargerrich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chargerrich)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/197 "2014-05-06T18:05:29Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > The great [Wilko Johnson](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilko_Johnson) has cancer and won’t be portraying Ilyn Payne any more, but GoT has replaced major characters with different actors several times already. There’s no reason they couldn’t find another sinster looking bald guy if the story demands more Ilyn Payne. But it is my understanding (i have never read the books) that the producers have already replaced him… i.e. the whole Bronn teaching Jamie to fight left handed. I get the impression is will not be seen anymore. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/198 "2014-05-06T18:09:34Z")
Where is all this information about the kingdoms coming from? I don’t believe the show has ever said what the 7 kingdoms are. ---
**Author:** ![Vashbul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Vashbul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vashbul)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/199 "2014-05-06T18:11:16Z")
> [@chargerrich](#): > > But it is my understanding (i have never read the books) that the producers have already replaced him… i.e. the whole Bronn teaching Jamie to fight left handed. I get the impression is will not be seen anymore. Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/200 "2014-05-06T18:18:07Z")
Syrio died “off screen.” Do we know if he is really dead? I remember thinking at the time he might turn up again. Speaking of lists. How many of the Dire Wolves are left? Just Ghost, Summer (Bran’s) and Arya’s (who is MIA)? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679.md?page=11)