# Game of Thrones 4.05 "The First Of His Name" 5/4/14 NO SPOILERS **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679 "2014-05-05T00:46:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/301 "2014-05-09T12:15:55Z")
has there been any reference to how the unsullied horde is fed? They constantly march through barren deserts and rocky shores…fish, perhaps? For that matter, how are any of the people in those areas actually fed? There are no agricultural industries around at all. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/302 "2014-05-09T12:55:14Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > has there been any reference to how the unsullied horde is fed? They constantly march through barren deserts and rocky shores…fish, perhaps? For that matter, how are any of the people in those areas actually fed? There are no agricultural industries around at all. I was wondering this as well. Freeing all the slaves must have disrupted the local economy. Who is feeding them? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/303 "2014-05-09T13:45:13Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > I was wondering this as well. Freeing all the slaves must have disrupted the local economy. Who is feeding them? I was wondering what the local economy actually _is_. Do the city-states make all their money selling slaves to each other? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/304 "2014-05-09T14:28:27Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > He didn’t know. Jon Arryn found out, then he died. Then Ned Stark found out and made a fuss about it, then he died. I don’t mean to insult your intelligence (perhaps your attention span, though) but this is all basic stuff that sets up everything else. You must be missing a lot; it might be worth re-watching. … or I could just ask and get 3-4 good answers in a matter of minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/305 "2014-05-09T15:44:09Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Game of Thrones doesn’t have a clean dividing line between “good guys” and “bad guys”. It’s entirely possible that Varys is simultaneously a Targaryen true believer AND someone who generally will do things to promote the welfare of the common people of Westeros AND someone who will occasionally do horrible things in aid of his goals. We don’t really know much about him. I was speaking relatively, really. It always is in fiction, I suppose. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > He’s around. I’m 99% sure we saw him in the audience at Tommen’s coronation. I didn’t notice him. It would be nice to see what he’s up to, though. > [@What\_the](#): > > … or I could just ask and get 3-4 good answers in a matter of minutes. Up to you. What I meant, though, was that more generally you must have missed the significance of some events due to not realizing certain facts we found out earlier. You may also have missed other things without yet realizing it, and so can’t ask about it. I’d say anyone would gain from watching it all again, actually. Sometimes you realize a character you’re used to in later episodes showed up earlier and you didn’t notice it was the same, originally not-very-noteworthy person. I doubt anyone got everything out of it the first time. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/306 "2014-05-10T14:34:03Z")
I thought this was hilarious (and surprised not to have seen it linked here already). Especially the part at the end about the names of lesser characters, which struck very close to home. [Honest Trailer for GoT](http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/04/01/game-of-thrones-honest-trailer/) ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/307 "2014-05-10T15:18:04Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I think littlefinger wants a revenge on life. I believe that having been snubded in his youth because he was of relatively humble origin (in particular too lowly to marry someone like Catelyn Stark), he will want to have a spot in the light, above all those mighty lords. Hence become king of the seven kingdoms. That’s exactly my read on his character, too. > [@jsc1953](#): > > I thought this was hilarious (and surprised not to have seen it linked here already). > > Especially the part at the end about the names of lesser characters, which struck very close to home. > > [Honest Trailer for GoT](http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/04/01/game-of-thrones-honest-trailer/) I love those Honest Trailers - someone linked to one a while ago, and we went through every single one. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/308 "2014-05-10T15:32:08Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I thought this was hilarious (and surprised not to have seen it linked here already). > > Especially the part at the end about the names of lesser characters, which struck very close to home. > > [Honest Trailer for GoT](http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/04/01/game-of-thrones-honest-trailer/) That was so funny it’s not even funny. But it is! ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/309 "2014-05-10T19:02:50Z")
I thought the narrator’s style of delivery was too jokey. He should have played it straight. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/310 "2014-05-10T22:38:43Z")
Lord Friend Zone! hehheh. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/311 "2014-05-10T23:31:13Z")
“All men must die … who are in any way close to Sean Bean.” Har! ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/312 "2014-05-11T02:07:48Z")
Y’know it occurred to me that we(or at least I) always assumed that it was some non-Tyrion Lannister tried have Bran assassinated in the first season that Tyrion got blamed for. I’m wondering now if that was a Little finger who was behind it. If so, with the death of Joffrey that’s two assassination attempts of Baelish that Tyrion’s been blamed for. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/313 "2014-05-11T02:24:53Z")
It was littlefinger who was behind incriminating Tyrion by telling Cat that the knife was his and that he lost it to Tyrion on a bet. But he was nowhere near Winterfell when all that stuff was going down, i doubt he even knew Bran was injured at that point. ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/314 "2014-05-11T02:26:12Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Y’know it occurred to me that we(or at least I) always assumed that it was some non-Tyrion Lannister tried have Bran assassinated in the first season that Tyrion got blamed for. > > I’m wondering now if that was a Little finger who was behind it. > > If so, with the death of Joffrey that’s two assassination attempts of Baelish that Tyrion’s been blamed for. Well, in season 1 it was Littlefinger that says it was his dagger that was used in the attempt on Bran…and that he lost the dagger to Tyrion. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/315 "2014-05-11T02:47:05Z")
> [@edwards\_beard](#): > > Well, in season 1 it was Littlefinger that says it was his dagger that was used in the attempt on Bran…and that he lost the dagger to Tyrion. In Season 1’s episode 3 Littlefinger describes losing the dagger in a bet to Tyrion. Littlefinger claims he was betting on Jaime Lannister, who was jousting against Ser Loras Tyrell. I doubt Tyrion would bet against his brother. But then again, we know how honest Littlefinger is so we should probably just take him at his word. 🙂 Also, earlier in the thread there was a conversation about whether Littlefinger recognized Arya at Harrenhal. One piece of evidence that was offered (that I myself found convincing) was him telling Sansa afterward that he’d seen her sister alive. Well, back in Season 2 he told Catelyn the same thing, that both her daughters were alive and well and they could be traded for Jaime’s release. This was before his chance encounter with Arya. So I’ve changed my mind again, I’m going back to thinking that he _didn’t_ recognize Arya. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/316 "2014-05-11T05:23:19Z")
It stands to reason that Littlefinger was responsible for the attempt on Bran’s life. Nobody has actually said so, but his ultimate plan was to make the Starks think the Lannisters tried to kill Bran. The only way to make that happen is to make sure there is an attempted murder and that there is incriminating evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Dunkelheit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dunkelheit/32/248_2.png) [@Dunkelheit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunkelheit)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/317 "2014-05-11T11:42:36Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > Also, earlier in the thread there was a conversation about whether Littlefinger recognized Arya at Harrenhal. One piece of evidence that was offered (that I myself found convincing) was him telling Sansa afterward that he’d seen her sister alive. Well, back in Season 2 he told Catelyn the same thing, that both her daughters were alive and well and they could be traded for Jaime’s release. This was before his chance encounter with Arya. So I’ve changed my mind again, I’m going back to thinking that he _didn’t_ recognize Arya. Watching the scene again and seeing the way he looks at her repeatedly, if he didn’t actually recognize her he was damned suspicious. And as she’s leaving the room, he starts talking about Catelyn and her daughters, which is highly coincidental if he didn’t recognize her. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/318 "2014-05-11T12:04:51Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It was littlefinger who was behind incriminating Tyrion by telling Cat that the knife was his and that he lost it to Tyrion on a bet. But he was nowhere near Winterfell when all that stuff was going down, i doubt he even knew Bran was injured at that point. How much time had passed between being pushed out the window and the murder attempt? Time enough for a crow to fly to King’s Landing and for Littlefinger’s man to go north? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/319 "2014-05-11T13:16:49Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > How much time had passed between being pushed out the window and the murder attempt? Time enough for a crow to fly to King’s Landing and for Littlefinger’s man to go north? I think it was a matter of a few days. The trip from King’s Landing takes months. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/320 "2014-05-11T17:51:28Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > has there been any reference to how the unsullied horde is fed? They constantly march through barren deserts and rocky shores…fish, perhaps? For that matter, how are any of the people in those areas actually fed? There are no agricultural industries around at all. I asked that awhile ago. Logistics are the concern of military theorists, not HBO audiences. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679.md?page=17)