# Game of Thrones 4.05 "The First Of His Name" 5/4/14 NO SPOILERS **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679 "2014-05-05T00:46:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/321 "2014-05-12T14:12:06Z")
They did not write the Shae bit well, but Peter Dinklage’s acting saved them. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/322 "2014-05-12T14:19:23Z")
Wrong thread. I think you want the one for the episode of 11 May, [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=723173). ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/323 "2014-05-16T07:41:31Z")
> [@Dunkelheit](#): > > Watching the scene again and seeing the way he looks at her repeatedly, if he didn’t actually recognize her he was damned suspicious. And as she’s leaving the room, he starts talking about Catelyn and her daughters, which is highly coincidental if he didn’t recognize her. Count me amongst those thinking he didn’t recognize her after watching this scene. And amongst those thinking that he would have done something with this piece of information. I’m pretty sure that if the show makers wanted us to think he recognized her, they would have made it clear (littlefinger making a side comment, for instance). ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/324 "2014-05-16T13:03:12Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I’m pretty sure that if the show makers wanted us to think he recognized her, they would have made it clear (littlefinger making a side comment, for instance). He starts talking about her and her sister as soon as she leaves the room. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/325 "2014-05-16T13:17:23Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > He starts talking about her and her sister as soon as she leaves the room. The argument for him knowing would be that in talking about the Stark girls lets the audience know that he knows. The argument for him not knowing would be that if he did know, he would never bring up the Stark girls in front of Tywin - knowing that Tywin doesn’t know. Who’s on first? I don’t know. THIRD BASE! ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/326 "2014-05-16T19:30:41Z")
Maybe he doesn’t know if Tywin knows. Hence, he immediately brings up the subject of the girls, and very carefully watches Tywin’s reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Vashbul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Vashbul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vashbul)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/327 "2014-05-16T19:44:40Z")
This is why I think what this show really needs is a character who turns to the audience and tells us what he’s really thinking, like on House of Cards. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/328 "2014-05-16T20:18:38Z")
Blech. ---
**Author:** ![GargoyleWB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gargoylewb/32/199_2.png) [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/329 "2014-05-16T21:09:26Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > He starts talking about her and her sister as soon as she leaves the room. I instead think that Littlefinger noticed Arya’s behavior of listening a little too closely to what was being said, and of being more than just a servant. I think the gears in his head were thinking “Tywin has a little spy and he doesn’t know it, how amusing!” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/330 "2014-05-17T04:34:25Z")
> [@GargoyleWB](#): > > I instead think that Littlefinger noticed Arya’s behavior of listening a little too closely to what was being said, and of being more than just a servant. I think the gears in his head were thinking “Tywin has a little spy and he doesn’t know it, how amusing!” That’s a pretty good theory, I’d say. ---
**Author:** ![Dunkelheit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dunkelheit/32/248_2.png) [@Dunkelheit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunkelheit)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/331 "2014-05-17T10:41:53Z")
> [@GargoyleWB](#): > > I instead think that Littlefinger noticed Arya’s behavior of listening a little too closely to what was being said, and of being more than just a servant. I think the gears in his head were thinking “Tywin has a little spy and he doesn’t know it, how amusing!” That doesn’t quite cover why he’s trying so hard to get a good look at her face. His expression is more suspicious and calculating than amused in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/332 "2014-05-17T10:48:45Z")
Yeah, but to be fair Littlefinger always looks like he’s already come up with six ways to steal your gold teeth while you’re talking and is currently plotting a seventh. I wouldn’t read anything into it. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/333 "2014-05-17T11:42:13Z")
Yeah, that looked like Littlefinger’s default face to me. He always looks like that. ---
**Author:** ![Dunkelheit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dunkelheit/32/248_2.png) [@Dunkelheit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunkelheit)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2014, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/334 "2014-05-18T11:33:50Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Yeah, but to be fair Littlefinger always looks like he’s already come up with six ways to steal your gold teeth while you’re talking and is currently plotting a seventh. I wouldn’t read anything into it. Well, sure. 😉 But still, the way he peers into her face as if trying to figure out if she’s who he thinks she is makes me think he recognizes her. He sat next to her and Sansa at the tournament, and probably encountered her at other times in King’s Landing, I don’t think a shorter hairstyle would be enough to make him not recognize her, clever little sneakypants that he is. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/335 "2014-05-18T14:12:35Z")
With the heated arguments from both sides, Littlefinger knowing/not knowing is probably kept ambiguous so as to give the writers more options down the road. ---
**Author:** ![Dunkelheit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dunkelheit/32/248_2.png) [@Dunkelheit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunkelheit)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/336 "2014-05-19T07:54:22Z")
_shakes fist_ Martiiiin! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/337 "2014-05-19T14:19:11Z")
Just noticed that Burn Gorman, who was mutineer leader Karl Tanner on _GOT_, is now playing a British Army officer on the Revolutionary War spy drama _Turn_ on AMC: [http://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cogman1.jpg](http://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cogman1.jpg) [![](https://64.media.tumblr.com/a10b89585f163b087c75eeb9284bb1b0/tumblr_n4yw2k2G651rihcn1o1_1280.jpg) ](https://64.media.tumblr.com/a10b89585f163b087c75eeb9284bb1b0/tumblr_n4yw2k2G651rihcn1o1_1280.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/338 "2014-05-19T23:21:59Z")
And [Pedro Pascal](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0050959/), who plays Oberyn Martell, is also on “The Mentalist” playing FBI Agent Marcus Pike. It’s a little disconcerting. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dunkelheit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dunkelheit/32/248_2.png) [@Dunkelheit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunkelheit)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/339 "2014-05-20T07:38:50Z")
I couldn’t watch the Karl Tanner scenes without thinking of Torchwood anyway. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679.md?page=16)