# Game of Thrones 4.05 "The First Of His Name" 5/4/14 NO SPOILERS **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 5, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679 "2014-05-05T00:46:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/101 "2014-05-05T17:41:25Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > I think the Craster’s keep storyline is meant to help establish Jon Snow as some sort of leader of the Night’s Watch. It was hinted at in the previous episode as well when the Lord Commander was talking with the guy who used to be Kings Guard… > > Daenerys is learning about the wold adage wining the peace is harder than winning the war. Nitpick - Janos Slynt was Lord Commander of the City Guard (Gold Cloaks), not the King’s Guard. Although it’s not clear how he automatically moves into a leadership position as a relatively new member of the Night’s Watch. Not to risk spoilers, but it’s also not clear what Littlefinger’s end game is by marrying into the Vale, assuming his eventual goal is to sit on the Iron Throne. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/102 "2014-05-05T17:44:43Z")
It’s another incremental step up, it certainly can’t hurt to rule one of the actual seven kingdoms if you want to rule all of them. Specially one of the few that has been relatively unharmed during the war. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/103 "2014-05-05T17:48:19Z")
All in all, pretty ballsy for Arya to say the Hound’s name in her nightly prayers. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/104 "2014-05-05T17:48:56Z")
If he marries Lysa, he’s Lord (Regent) of the Vale, isn’t he? And Sansa might still be the rightful ruler of Winterfell, or at least a way for him to get support from the people of the North. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/105 "2014-05-05T17:54:24Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > > [@DigitalC](#): > > > > Arya’s stab had to go in at least a couple inches right? a thin piercing sword like that should be able to go right through chainmail without even having to break it. > > [Looks like a combination of chainmail, plate mail and studded leather lamellar armor](http://cinedork.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/the-hound1.jpg). I think The Hound’s point was valid. Skill isn’t much use against an opponent in heavy armor who happens to be the only one with a sword. I was wondering about the armor that The Hound was wearing. It makes sense to wear in combat, but I wonder how uncomfortable it must be to wear for an extended period, such as this long journey they are on. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/106 "2014-05-05T18:04:55Z")
> [@pancakes3](#): > > All in all, pretty ballsy for Arya to say the Hound’s name in her nightly prayers. She pretty much told him straight up she was going to kill him last season. ---
**Author:** ![GargoyleWB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gargoylewb/32/199_2.png) [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/107 "2014-05-05T18:16:05Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Usually epee’s were more of a sporting/ceremonial weapon from what I understand. Does this line up with actual history, or could someone with more mass, use that pig sticker in combat. The [court sword](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_sword) is more in line with what I picture Needle. It is definitely a rigid blade instead of the more flexible epee. I’ll have to go back and freeze-frame the scene, but it seemed to be a polygonal cross-section, of which one or all of the edges would typically be razor sharp. So, not only is it great at thrusting, but also at slashing, though you’d get rather shallow cuts suitable more for dueling wounds instead of fatal wounds. I think it would be very effective across the sea in the hotter regions where heavy armor isn’t used, but like shown against the Hound, not much good against armor. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/108 "2014-05-05T18:22:58Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > He was going to the Eyrie to negotiate a marriage pact to bring the vale back into the fold, which was obviously already pre planned but still required he be made a major lord to make it viable. He made it look like he was doing the Lannisters a favor when he was just following his plan. Ah, thank you. I couldn’t recall the details. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/109 "2014-05-05T18:25:36Z")
Why did The Hound get so mad when Arya stabbed him. The last thing he heard before going to sleep was Arya’s wish to kill him. Then he taunts her and practically begs her to stab him. I don’t understand why he was so surprised. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/110 "2014-05-05T18:29:23Z")
It probably hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/111 "2014-05-05T18:52:23Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > I’m 99% sure there was a scene with Littlefinger talking to Sansa in King’s Landing (when he was trying to convince her to go away with him on his ship,) where he mentioned that Ayra was alive and well. Really? Do you remember what episode? I don’t remember that, but that’s nice if so, since Sansa might feel comforted to know that at least one sibling remains alive. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/112 "2014-05-05T18:57:33Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > I’m 99% sure there was a scene with Littlefinger talking to Sansa in King’s Landing (when he was trying to convince her to go away with him on his ship,) where he mentioned that Ayra was alive and well. [You’re right.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-BvhKgzQA) I forgot completely about this scene. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/113 "2014-05-05T19:33:01Z")
Good episode. I want more Brienne and Pod, though! Quite a bombshell about no Lannister gold dug up for the past three years. And Jon impaling the lead mutineer through the mouth, from behind, was pretty gnarly. > [@DigitalC](#): > > “Let’s wait till the dragons grow up” was always going to be the best possible plan, after that you can do pretty much whatever the hell you want. That’s what I was thinking. She has some time to kill, and some leadership skills to hone, until then. > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > …Peytr’s intent was chaos, since that’s the way for him to move up in the world. It is known. > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > …Speaking of Peytr, I found it hilarious how much he wasn’t into Lysa. He could fake it to some extent, but you could also see how he was reminding himself to suck it up and deal with it since Lysa can be useful… Of course. Because she has huge… tracts of (mountainous) land. > [@Marley23](#): > > …Oh, Lysa is in a lot of trouble. She’s somewhat blinded by her insecurity and her lust for Littlefinger (or maybe she subconsciously knows she just married a snake), but her paranoid neediness might just keep her alive if she’s lucky. Littlefinger obviously wants Sansa and he’ll try to make that happen sooner or later, which menas Lysa and [del]Robin[/del] Milhouse will officially be In The Way… Her reference to “his whores” makes it clear that she knows Petyr, much as she lusts for him, is no shining knight. LOL for the Milhouse joke. > [@puddleglum](#): > > Two episodes the Onion Knight had an idea revolving around the Iron Bank. It looks like he is going to try to get them to give Stannis another army to attack Kings Landing. The Iron Bank guy in next week’s preview is the same actor who plays Mycroft on _Sherlock_, isn’t it? > [@Enderw24](#): > > Just feed it to Lysa. It’ll make its way to Robin eventually. Ew ew _ew!_ > [@Angua](#): > > …Depending on the size of the chain links, the blade should be able to fit through the links, but from later images, the Hound is pretty well protected against a rapier thrust. His rock-hard pecs are also an asset. An interview with the director of the infamous Jaime/Cersei maybe-rape scene: [‘Game of Thrones’ Director on Controversial Scene: Jaime ‘Traumatized,’ Cersei ‘a Wreck’ (Q&A)](http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-director-controversial-scene-697733) NYT - too much rape in GoT?: [http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/03/arts/television/for-game-of-thrones-rising-unease-over-rapes-recurring-role.html?action=click&contentCollection=Television®ion=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/03/arts/television/for-game-of-thrones-rising-unease-over-rapes-recurring-role.html?action=click&contentCollection=Television®ion=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article) ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/114 "2014-05-05T19:54:55Z")
I like Margery playing dumb over becoming queen again at Cersei’s request. “Oh…gosh… I reeally don’t know. Not until I talk to my fAA-ther” knowing full well that her father is a pushover to Tywin and pretty much anyone else and knows that Cersei also knows this. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/115 "2014-05-05T20:01:48Z")
How old is Margaery supposed to be? I assume she was older than Joffrey, who was a teenager. So perhaps in her early 20s, at most? But in this episode, Margaery and Cersei seemed to be about the same age. Cersei is in her early 40s. Margaery can’t be that old to be considered a suitable match for Tommen, who is a child. But she sure looked that old in this episode. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/116 "2014-05-05T20:04:21Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > [You’re right.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-BvhKgzQA) I forgot completely about this scene. Now I really want to see the tywin/baelish scene and gauge his reaction to Arya. On its own, it seems like he’s just blowing smoke. “I saw your mom recently oh and also your sister.” If this whole thing was an elaborate ruse, he could be lying. Also, I could be wrong and he totally caught that that was Arya. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/117 "2014-05-05T20:09:48Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Also, I could be wrong and he totally caught that that was Arya. And then… never did anything with that information, left her as the cupbearer of one of his chief rivals, in a situation where she could get killed at any moment, and just kind of rode away? That just doesn’t seem like Littlefinger… ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/118 "2014-05-05T20:12:35Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > And then… never did anything with that information, left her as the cupbearer of one of his chief rivals, in a situation where she could get killed at any moment, and just kind of rode away? That just doesn’t seem like Littlefinger… Didn’t he use the knowledge of Arya in the linked scene to try and convince Sansa to sail away with him? ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/119 "2014-05-05T20:31:29Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Didn’t he use the knowledge of Arya in the linked scene to try and convince Sansa to sail away with him? True, but he could have lied just as easily. Him personally knowing that Arya was alive doesn’t effect the strength of his argument with Sansa, who is in no position to know one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679/120 "2014-05-05T20:32:13Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Didn’t he use the knowledge of Arya in the linked scene to try and convince Sansa to sail away with him? It’s not like Littlefinger would have had much trouble lying to Sansa should he have not known what Arya’s current status was. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-05-the-first-of-his-name-5-4-14-no-spoilers/687679.md?page=7)