# Game of Thrones 4.06 "The Laws of Gods and Men" 5/11/14 NO SPOILERS **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 11, 2014, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219 "2014-05-11T23:59:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/181 "2014-05-14T04:57:54Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Funny. What’s with the Colbert pic, though? It’s his “Emmy, please!” gesture. Meaning that scene was Dinkage’s Emmy highlight reel. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/182 "2014-05-14T05:27:55Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > He had his doubts because he “hadn’t ever met an educated stonemason”, but it’s her pronunciation of Milord that gave her away for good. He also sussed out she was from the North, but I don’t think he figured out exactly who she was - he’d have used her as a hostage in a New York minute if he had. Tywin would have personally skullfucked every person in Westeros, living or dead, if it had meant winning the war. Remind me, did Tywin ever even figure out she wasn’t a boy? ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/183 "2014-05-14T06:17:46Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Remind me, did Tywin ever even figure out she wasn’t a boy? In his very first interaction with her. A guard is all “Shut up boy or I’ll kill you” when Tywin rides up and is like “That ain’t no boy dumbass.” ---
**Author:** ![Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fake_Tales_of_San_Francisco)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/184 "2014-05-14T08:43:36Z")
> [@LouisMasure](#): > > I would love to see Tyrion get away, join Daenerys’ camp, then … > > ride to King’s landing on the back of one of her dragons and go berserk on Tywin, Cercei and all the court, laughing and cursing them with Wagner’s Valkyrie playing in the background while dragon-fire turns the capital to ashes 😃 THE END He _did_ design a saddle for a disadvantaged person in season 1… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/185 "2014-05-14T09:27:56Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > As for the Littlefinger thing, I have a hard time believing Olenna would be foolish enough to trust Littlefinger. They both have totally different end games, unless he’s going to marry Margaery (the Lannisters are out, Tyrells are in). And if she is working with him because of the above scene, is Varys included, or did she take Varys’s information, ignore the part about Littlefinger being incredibly dangerous, and do the opposite of what he said? > . She wanted Joffrey dead to protect her great-daughter, and Littlefinger offered that. It was more important to her than any political goal. That’s my take on this. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/186 "2014-05-14T09:46:54Z")
I’m surprised that so many are criticising Danereys for attempting to listen to 200+ people requesting her presence, saying that of course she should assign someone to this. Isn’t that the whole point? Following on from her not taking advice on board about mercy and then finding out that she’s crucified someone that fought against what she crucified him for, we are being shown that Danereys is out of her depth. She has no idea how to be a leader. She deals in absolutes (only a Sith etc etc), has no idea how to go about ruling and all the places she has freed and moved on from have fallen apart. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/187 "2014-05-14T10:46:01Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > I’m surprised that so many are criticising Danereys for attempting to listen to 200+ people requesting her presence, saying that of course she should assign someone to this. > . Rulers during the middle ages would hold such courts and receive petitions or deal judgements in person. What she does seems perfectly fitting to me. It doesn’t mean she will always do that or that she won’t appoint judges. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/188 "2014-05-14T12:05:21Z")
Actually, even today, in Saudi Arabia, members of the royal family will personally receive petitioners. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/189 "2014-05-14T12:19:41Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > And don’t forget that “The Rains of Castamere” is a song about Tywin Lannister committing **germicide**. Did he have Ser Purell help with that? Also, the dragon did not kill the boy. The boy just wished he had worn his brown pants that day. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/190 "2014-05-14T12:29:06Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Rulers during the middle ages would hold such courts and receive petitions or deal judgements in person. What she does seems perfectly fitting to me. It doesn’t mean she will always do that or that she won’t appoint judges. Agreed. Plus, what else has she got to do with her day ? She might delegate some of the tedium to Jorah and name him Hand of the Queen - Ned did the same for Robert back in season 1 didn’t he ? So did Bran & Maester Luwyn while Robb was away. But what she does is pretty much what responsible feudal lords do when there isn’t a war going on : listen to their people and fix the shit that needs fixing. She does need to figure out a more permanent solution to the dragon feeding problem though. Otherwise even if she’s generous with the cash settlements she’s going to foster the Great Goatherder Uprising of 1376. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/191 "2014-05-14T12:39:08Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > She might delegate some of the tedium to Jorah and name him Hand of the Queen - Ned did the same for Robert back in season 1 didn’t he ? So did Bran & Maester Luwyn while Robb was away. But what she does is pretty much what responsible feudal lords do when there isn’t a war going on : listen to their people and fix the shit that needs fixing. Ned Stark was drafted after Jon Arynn was murdered. It’s been established that Robert Baretheon was primarily interested in warring and wenching, and didn’t care much for any other duties as head of state. He not only let his Hand deal with supplicants, but he also was notoriously absent from Small Council meetings. Baretheon might have been a formidable warrior and great leader, but he was a shitty head of state. (I apologize for any name misspellings) ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/192 "2014-05-14T14:14:52Z")
OK, the facebook recaps have been getting a bit repetitive, but then all of a sudden, bam! comedy gold: “Who could sit more comfortably on a chair made out of swords than a man unburdened of his scrotum” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/193 "2014-05-14T14:54:47Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > She might delegate some of the tedium to Jorah and name him Hand of the Queen - Didn’t they broach this topic back in season one? I remember Jorah basically saying that he’s too dishonorable and wouldn’t make a good Hand. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/194 "2014-05-14T15:22:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It’s his “Emmy, please!” gesture. Meaning that scene was Dinkage’s Emmy highlight reel. Ah, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![nate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nate/32/13085_2.png) [@nate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nate)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/195 "2014-05-14T16:40:42Z")
I may be mis-remembering, but at some point didn’t Varys show Tyrion a prisoner he had locked up in a chest? The guy that cut off his stem and berries? I would have thought Varys would have been more careful about testifying against Tyrion after that. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/196 "2014-05-14T16:53:46Z")
Why ? He was some Essos wizard nobody ever heard about. Plus I doubt Varys wouldn’t get some sympathy with a plea of “yeah I killed him, but he was the guy who took my fruit and veg. With a knife. Serrated. No anaesthesia.” ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/197 "2014-05-14T16:59:57Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Didn’t they broach this topic back in season one? I remember Jorah basically saying that he’s too dishonorable and wouldn’t make a good Hand. I think I remember something similar to that. I think that was in the context of ruling in Westeros though. Across the sea, she should/could make him her hand even if they understand it is temporary. > [@nate](#): > > I may be mis-remembering, but at some point didn’t Varys show Tyrion a prisoner he had locked up in a chest? The guy that cut off his stem and berries? I would have thought Varys would have been more careful about testifying against Tyrion after that. How does that give Tyrion any leverage? Who in Westeros gives a shit about some foreign aged “wizard” locked up in a box. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/198 "2014-05-14T17:31:57Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I think I remember something similar to that. I think that was in the context of ruling in Westeros though. Across the sea, she should/could make him her hand even if they understand it is temporary. It’s the same as the question of using slave soldiers: they believe it would compromise her standing and her legitimacy. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/199 "2014-05-14T23:37:02Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It’s the same as the question of using slave soldiers: they believe it would compromise her standing and her legitimacy. How so? The only problem I really see with Ser Jorah in that sense would be his reputation in Westeros; in Essos (Dany is in Essos, right?) he’s an unknown. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219/200 "2014-05-14T23:52:41Z")
> [@LawMonkey](#): > > How so? The only problem I really see with Ser Jorah in that sense would be his reputation in Westeros; in Essos (Dany is in Essos, right?) he’s an unknown. Its the whole if/when she gets back to Westeros question: sure Ser Jorah’s an unknown in Essos, but in Westeros, his reputation is a) highly tainted and b) that of a slaver. If Dany comes back to Westeros and it becomes known that she put him in a position of power, she’s basically tarred with the same brush. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-06-the-laws-of-gods-and-men-5-11-14-no-spoilers/688219.md?page=11)