# Game of Thrones 4.07 "Mockingbird" 5/18/14 \[no spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 18, 2014, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683 "2014-05-18T18:40:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/61 "2014-05-19T21:43:52Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Because if they spot Arya in the company of the Hound–depending on the context-- they may assume she’s in danger on account of IT BEING THE HOUND. Oh, got it. I thought you meant rescue Arya or Sansa from the Eyrie. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/62 "2014-05-19T21:45:46Z")
How much have we even seen the Mountain in the show? Honestly, the only time I remember him is from the joust when he cut off the horses head. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/63 "2014-05-19T21:53:25Z")
He captured Arya Gendry and Hotpie. Well his men did, he was briefly seen picking out from the prisoners to have them tortured. He gets talked about plenty though, Edmure Tully beat him at some mill or other earning him a good scolding from Robb. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/64 "2014-05-19T22:02:23Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > He captured Arya Gendry and Hotpie. Well his men did, he was briefly seen picking out from the prisoners to have them tortured. He gets talked about plenty though, Edmure Tully beat him at some mill or other earning him a good scolding from Robb. There was a scene where Tywin gave him some orders at Harrenhal. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/65 "2014-05-19T22:05:54Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I wonder if Stannis is actually on his way to the Wall. Did the ravens also warn that the Wildling army is marching south? Stannis could be hoping to broker a deal with the Wildlings to sede a portion of the north to them in return for giving him a section of their army to take King’s Landing and the throne. He would need money and ships to go North so visiting the bankers still makes sense. However, Stannis would never give land to the Wildings unless they declared him their king. Fighting off Wildlings could get him loyalty in the North from people that resent what happened to the Starks. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/66 "2014-05-19T22:10:37Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > He’s the third mountain they’ve cast. His real name is Bobby Draper. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/67 "2014-05-19T22:11:48Z")
Nice pic of the actor and actress: [http://i.imgur.com/NG4Q625.jpg](http://i.imgur.com/NG4Q625.jpg) Well, he’s not _that_ big: [http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/4/4a/Komarck\_Gregor\_Clegane\_FFG.jpg/350px-Komarck\_Gregor\_Clegane\_FFG.jpg](http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/4/4a/Komarck_Gregor_Clegane_FFG.jpg/350px-Komarck_Gregor_Clegane_FFG.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/68 "2014-05-19T22:30:00Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > He’s the third mountain they’ve cast. So it’s a range now. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/69 "2014-05-19T22:49:01Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > He would need money and ships to go North so visiting the bankers still makes sense. However, Stannis would never give land to the Wildings unless they declared him their king. Fighting off Wildlings could get him loyalty in the North from people that resent what happened to the Starks. Oh excellent point. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/70 "2014-05-19T23:16:00Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Why were the prisoners forced to fight him? From a production standpoint, it’s a way to introduce the new actor and put him over as a monster heel, but is there any storyline reason to allow him to chop up prisoners for entertainment? I thought he was just doing some dry-run killin’ with some condemned criminals so he’s not rusty with one-on-one combat when he goes in for Cersei. > [@BlackKnight](#): > > It’s actually a shame they didn’t cast that guy originally. You look at that guy and immediately think, “His nickname is either a sincere ‘The Mountain’, or an ironic ‘Tiny’”. Maybe they can go back and digitally add him over the other actors. It shouldn’t be difficult - he’ll cover up every inch of screen space they previously occupied. Only thing that doesn’t fit for me is that he’s supposed to be the Hound’s _older_ brother and this guy is clearly not older than the Hound. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/71 "2014-05-19T23:30:32Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > Only thing that doesn’t fit for me is that he’s supposed to be the Hound’s _older_ brother and this guy is clearly not older than the Hound. Working so closely to Joffrey ages a fellow. Ser Barristan was only 23 😉 ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/72 "2014-05-19T23:59:37Z")
As good as Peter Dinklage was in his courtroom speech, for my money his performance during his conversation with Oberyn last night was even better. A lifetime worth of emotion washed over his face as he sat, silently, hearing Oberyn describe seeing him as a baby and saying he’d fight for him. Good stuff! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/73 "2014-05-20T00:21:01Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > The actor from the first season is actually 4 inches taller than this guy He left due to timing issues. Seems he got a big part in The Hobbit. I’m sure that’s better pay than 5 minutes screen time in an episode or three per season, if your lucky. > [@Sampiro](#): > > So it’s a range now. 😃 That made me chuckle. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/74 "2014-05-20T01:16:14Z")
[20 minute documentary that prominently features the new actor playing the Mountain.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7woRoVwyM) ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/75 "2014-05-20T01:35:57Z")
I’m not ashamed to say that tears flowed during the scene between Oberyn and Tyrion. What immense presence these two actors had. They fed of each other’s incredible talent. Also, can Little Finger get any creepier? First time I’ve ever said “eeewwww” out loud in a kissing scene on this show, nevermind ongoing incest storylines! ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/76 "2014-05-20T03:11:49Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > As good as Peter Dinklage was in his courtroom speech, for my money his performance during his conversation with Oberyn last night was even better. A lifetime worth of emotion washed over his face as he sat, silently, hearing Oberyn describe seeing him as a baby and saying he’d fight for him. Good stuff! Yeah, there’s no denying that this week’s performance was far more subtle–Peter Dinklage’s face spoke volumes. > [@interface2x](#): > > Only thing that doesn’t fit for me is that he’s supposed to be the Hound’s _older_ brother and this guy is clearly not older than the Hound. Aside from working closely with Joffrey, I suspect having half your face burned off at a young age will add years to a man’s skin. I’m willing to let it slide. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/77 "2014-05-20T03:25:55Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > The actor from the first season is actually 4 inches taller than this guy They can give him a digital tophat as well. Ok, so it’s been a while since I’ve seen season one. Maybe being shirtless made him look bigger. (Or at least, made me feel smaller.) **Kinthalis** , I admit I teared up a little bit too. That was an amazing scene. Most of us, I think, knew that the show was heading towards Oberyn being Tyrion’s champion. That wasn’t surprising. But the way it was handled was exceptionally well done. This is a show with a plethora of duplicitous, murderous, horrible people. Against that backdrop the tenderness of Oberyn’s speech - and the basic acknowledgement of Tyrion’s humanity and suffering - was touching. In fact, this episode had a number of similarly intimate moments. We had Arya and the Hound, and Tyrion with Jaime and then with Bronn. It’s absolutely true that “Game of Thrones” is a violent show. It is also true that it is, at times, a very tender one. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/78 "2014-05-20T03:39:31Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > I thought he was just doing some dry-run killin’ with some condemned criminals so he’s not rusty with one-on-one combat when he goes in for Cersei. Exactly. This was batting practice, or time on the driving range, for The Mountain. Lots of humanity being displayed – Hound’s gentle side, Brienne with a sense of humor, Bronn and Tyrion sharing an honest, but difficult moment. Arya revealing her nihilism. 🙂 Excellent episode. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/79 "2014-05-20T03:45:05Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Why were the prisoners forced to fight him? From a production standpoint, it’s a way to introduce the new actor and put him over as a monster heel, but is there any storyline reason to allow him to chop up prisoners for entertainment? They probably requested trial by combat Declan ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/80 "2014-05-20T04:05:32Z")
how does that work? why didn’t Ned Stark request for it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683.md?page=5)