# Game of Thrones 4.07 "Mockingbird" 5/18/14 \[no spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 18, 2014, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683 "2014-05-18T18:40:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/81 "2014-05-20T04:13:04Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > how does that work? why didn’t Ned Stark request for it? Ned was under the impression that he was going to the wall, had he known what Joffery was going to do, I imagine that he probably would have requested/demanded a TBC. Declan ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/82 "2014-05-20T04:18:40Z")
Ned was also injured at the time. He only had one good leg. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/83 "2014-05-20T04:42:19Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > So it’s a range now. Well-played, sir. 🙂 > [@VarlosZ](#): > > As good as Peter Dinklage was in his courtroom speech, for my money his performance during his conversation with Oberyn last night was even better. A lifetime worth of emotion washed over his face as he sat, silently, hearing Oberyn describe seeing him as a baby and saying he’d fight for him. Good stuff! That was an amazing scene. Tyrion hearing someone describe him as just a baby, after a lifetime of hearing his own family call him a monster to his face - just spellbinding. So, Littlefinger - I’m still sure his end-game is marrying Sansa, so how does he manage that? He has set up Tyrion to be killed for Joffrey’s murder - is he so sure of his handiwork that he believes Sansa will be free to marry him in a very short time? It was a great episode overall, agreed. The Adventures of Arya and The Hound were a highlight, as usual. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/84 "2014-05-20T04:49:14Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > That was an amazing scene. Tyrion hearing someone describe him as just a baby, after a lifetime of hearing his own family call him a monster to his face - just spellbinding… That’s a great point. ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/85 "2014-05-20T04:51:43Z")
hmm, how about deserters from the Night’s Watch? do they get the option for a TBC? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/86 "2014-05-20T04:53:26Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > That Robin kid is a scary little bastard in his own right. Doesn’t have a body count as high as Joffrey, but given time he might… Actually when you think about he has a much higher body count than Joffrey did at his age (due Mommy letting him serve as judge). Joffrey wasn’t able to order anybody killed until after his “father” died. That being said I think Robins just a spoiled brat, not a true psychopath. > [@Marley23](#): > > In an old thread someone suggested that Tyrion actually paid them. So he made sure they got paid and Pod got a nice self-esteem boost… That, and it was some kind of test to see if Podrick would return Tyrion’s money. It’s the only explanation that makes any kind of sense. > [@VarlosZ](#): > > As good as Peter Dinklage was in his courtroom speech, for my money his performance during his conversation with Oberyn last night was even better. A lifetime worth of emotion washed over his face as he sat, silently, hearing Oberyn describe seeing him as a baby and saying he’d fight for him. Good stuff! That was a very powerful scene. And yet at the same time I couldn’t help but think “Gee even as a little girl Cersei couldn’t keep her hands off Lannister cock”. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/87 "2014-05-20T05:17:39Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > How much have we even seen the Mountain in the show? Honestly, the only time I remember him is from the joust when he cut off the horses head. Yeah, I think the Mountain is like the GOT version of Boba Fett- he gets talked up a lot more than you actually see him earning his rep as a badass. I just hope Oberyn does more than accidentally ignite his jetpack and turn his demise into an anticlimactic burp joke. No sarlacc pits in King’s Landing, right? ---
**Author:** ![Oswald\_Bastable](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oswald_bastable/32/214_2.png) [@Oswald\_Bastable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oswald_Bastable)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/88 "2014-05-20T07:30:26Z")
I heard someone on the radio the other day comment that Dinklage’s accent makes him sound like Victor Meldrew\*. I half expected each of his scenes with Jaime, Bron and Oberyn to be be suffixed with an exclamation of “I don’t belieeeeve it!”. OB \*this reference may be lost on US viewers, but for those in the UK, or who otherwise get it, please tell me I’m wrong… ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/89 "2014-05-20T07:34:16Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > That, and it was some kind of test to see if Podrick would return Tyrion’s money. It’s the only explanation that makes any kind of sense. Unfortunately we’re left with the nonsensical explanation, which is that the whores were so pleased with his performance that they refused to take his money. In a later scene, Littlefinger and Tyrion discussed it privately, and both talked as if that’s actually what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Dunkelheit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dunkelheit/32/248_2.png) [@Dunkelheit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunkelheit)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/90 "2014-05-20T08:03:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > In an old thread someone suggested that Tyrion actually paid them. So he made sure they got paid and Pod got a nice self-esteem boost. I dunno, the way Tyrion and Bronn were looking at each other strongly suggested to me that it was a surprise to them both. And then they had to sit him down and pump him for details. Er, so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Dunkelheit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dunkelheit/32/248_2.png) [@Dunkelheit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunkelheit)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/91 "2014-05-20T08:17:01Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > hmm, how about deserters from the Night’s Watch? do they get the option for a TBC? I would guess not, since the point of the TBC is to let the gods determine one’s guilt or lack thereof. If someone has deserted, it’s pretty obvious. Unless they deny that they deserted, I suppose, as Jon did, saying he was acting on Quorin Halfhand’s orders. I wonder if he’d have been allowed to demand TBC if they hadn’t accepted his explanation. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/92 "2014-05-20T10:26:04Z")
I’m pretty sure trials, both of the judicial and combat variety, are only a consideration for nobles. Peasants are just going to be dealt with by their local lords in whatever way those lords see fit. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/93 "2014-05-20T11:14:04Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > hmm, how about deserters from the Night’s Watch? do they get the option for a TBC? My impression was that only a nobleman could demand it. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/94 "2014-05-20T11:51:41Z")
> [@Oswald\_Bastable](#): > > I heard someone on the radio the other day comment that Dinklage’s accent makes him sound like Victor Meldrew\*. > > I half expected each of his scenes with Jaime, Bron and Oberyn to be be suffixed with an exclamation of “I don’t belieeeeve it!”. > . I think this was on The Now Show, with Steve Punt and Hugh Dennis, and yes I heard that too and thought: “Erm, no.” Hugh Dennis is a good impressionist, but maybe he struggled with Peter’s accent or just needed to get an impression to do with actual comic effect. They also referred to Game of Thrones being “This years Breaking Bad”. Erm, no on that count either, both have been about as popular as each other for the length they ran (clearly BB started and finished earlier, but GOT hasn’t suddenly become popular). I’ve noticed some weak research on recent The Now Shows, sadly. ---
**Author:** ![tim-n-va](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim-n-va/32/3001_2.png) [@tim-n-va](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim-n-va)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/95 "2014-05-20T12:35:10Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Peter Dinklage continues to be awesome. He needs more parts in more shows. My favorite is “The Station Agent”. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/96 "2014-05-20T13:20:39Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > Superb episode. > > Everything about it was wonderful except for Danerys. I get the feeling that it’s just a waste of time spending any time showing her story. > > Someone upthread said “one trick pony”. I have to agree. There is one point about her role. Slavery is bad. OK. I think people understand that. But … what else? Is that all? I actually think that story has improved a lot. Before it was just “slavers bad” as she moved from city to city, but now it is showing how she is out of her depth as a leader. I brought this up in last week’s thread but no one seemed to agree. I’m standing by it. She has no idea how to lead - something that has slowly been building up - but finally she may be starting to listen to someone. So in essence she has had gradual character development. Just a bit too gradual. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/97 "2014-05-20T13:29:11Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > He left due to timing issues. Seems he got a big part in The Hobbit. I’m sure that’s better pay than 5 minutes screen time in an episode or three per season, if your lucky. I’m having trouble finding it, but someone recently posted an interview with him on Reddit where he says that he _didn’t_ leave the show for the Hobbit and that that rumor got started on a message board and has taken on a life of its own. He said he wanted to come back but wasn’t asked. ---
**Author:** ![PaulParkhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@PaulParkhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulParkhead)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2014, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683/98 "2014-05-20T13:30:10Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > I think this was on The Now Show, with Steve Punt and Hugh Dennis, and yes I heard that too and thought: “Erm, no.” > > Hugh Dennis is a good impressionist, but maybe he struggled with Peter’s accent or just needed to get an impression to do with actual comic effect. Agreed, I’m not hearing the Victor Meldrew thing either. I actually find it difficult to tell what Peter Dinklage is aiming for with that accent. ---
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> [@interface2x](#): > > I’m having trouble finding it, but someone recently posted an interview with him on Reddit where he says that he _didn’t_ leave the show for the Hobbit and that that rumor got started on a message board and has taken on a life of its own. He said he wanted to come back but wasn’t asked. [http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/22sber/i\_am\_peter\_dinklage\_you\_probably\_know\_me\_as/](http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/22sber/i_am_peter_dinklage_you_probably_know_me_as/) ---
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> [@PaulParkhead](#): > > Agreed, I’m not hearing the Victor Meldrew thing either. I actually find it difficult to tell what Peter Dinklage is aiming for with that accent. It sounds vaguely British Upper Class/Received Pronunciation. It wouldn’t be so bad, if he hadn’t sprung it on us 3 seasons in. And I too think the Dany story line is intriguing (back off, haters! 🙂 ) As stated above, she’s over her head but figuring it out. And she’s also shown she’s human, a Woman With Needs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-07-mockingbird-5-18-14-no-spoilers/688683.md?page=6)