# Game of Thrones 4.08 "The Mountain and the Viper" 6/1/14 \[no spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 2, 2014, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809 "2014-06-02T03:04:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/261 "2014-06-04T16:13:55Z")
“Ser Hinry Kisengar”…snerk. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/262 "2014-06-04T16:32:35Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I’m with you. It doesn’t stop me from being a fan, but I **covered my eyes at the end**. From your mouth to Oberyn’s ears but alas too late. ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/263 "2014-06-04T17:02:52Z")
When Tyrion tired of hearing lies about himself in ‘court’, he called for the Gods to decide the matter, trial by combat. As I see it, those people who did not know if Tyrion was culpable in his ‘nephews’ death (DNA-wise, more or less a brother), can now say that Tyrion was judged by the Gods as guilty. Those who know the truth can say that the Gods decided that Tyrion should take the blame so that the real killers could avoid detection, Gods being in favor of what they did to Joffrey. Tyrion himself might feel that way, that the Gods were willing he should die to pay for Joffrey’s death, that he had always been too cowardly to make it publicly known that Jaime and Cercei were lovers who used murder, themselves, to cover their sins. Maybe if he had been braver, Joffrey may not have ever gotten the throne. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/264 "2014-06-04T17:06:15Z")
His brother, sister, niece and nephews might then have been executed by an enraged King Robert. I don’t think Tyrion would’ve been willing to pay that price, even if meant keeping a sociopathic Joffrey off the throne. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/265 "2014-06-04T17:12:43Z")
> [@Flander](#): > > [Facebook recap is up!](http://happyplace.someecards.com/got-recap-season-4/if-game-of-thrones-took-place-entirely-on-facebook-season-4-episode-8/) The Mountain is playing Dandy Crush Saga. Those recaps had been getting kind of repetitive, but this one was hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/266 "2014-06-04T17:31:09Z")
> [@Flander](#): > > [Facebook recap is up!](http://happyplace.someecards.com/got-recap-season-4/if-game-of-thrones-took-place-entirely-on-facebook-season-4-episode-8/) Thanks. Love the fight poster. ---
**Author:** ![tim-n-va](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim-n-va/32/3001_2.png) [@tim-n-va](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim-n-va)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/267 "2014-06-04T17:39:28Z")
> [@Flander](#): > > [Facebook recap is up!](http://happyplace.someecards.com/got-recap-season-4/if-game-of-thrones-took-place-entirely-on-facebook-season-4-episode-8/) TBT and #YesAllWomen were nice additions. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/268 "2014-06-04T17:49:07Z")
[The Mountain and the Viper: Denial Version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oOi6JOXEQ&feature=youtu.be). ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/269 "2014-06-04T18:07:46Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > Tyrion was culpable in his ‘nephews’ death (DNA-wise, more or less a brother), Still a nephew, just two different ways. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/270 "2014-06-04T19:07:52Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > [The Mountain and the Viper: Denial Version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oOi6JOXEQ&feature=youtu.be). _The Mountain and the Viper and Rashomon_ - that’s not how I remember it! ---
**Author:** ![o0oTOPCATo0o](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3ec8ea/32.png) [@o0oTOPCATo0o](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/o0oTOPCATo0o)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/271 "2014-06-04T19:32:41Z")
I loved how Ramsey took Theon’s noble name away from him, then used him as a pawn, leading to _him_ receiving a noble name.🆒 P.S. How about the Bolton flags? it is literally a picture of someone being tortured. Sansa’s testimony was incredible. Now Little Finger has put himself in a pretty awesome situation. Sansa’s story could not have gone better for him. I loved the beetle conversation, it has kept me thinking for a lil while. Though I’m not sure why they did it, it did give the imp a chance to show how compassionate he is by not killing the bug he had and how he couldn’t understand useless violence, even it is only a beetle. It could also just be a metaphor for how the GoT world works. (powerful \> weak) Kinda feel bad for Lord Friendzone. It will be interesting to see what he does with his time now. The fight was great. I was honestly woozy when I got up after it was over. TV has never given me the feeling I had after the Mountains thumbs went a little deeper that made the Viper produce the most horrifying scream ever. EVER. After the camera panned out and the episode ended, I got up lightheaded, with limited balence and exited the room. It wasn’t until someone asked me if I saw the preview for next week that I realized I was so distraught that I didn’t stick around for them. :smack: The Mountain will be dead soon. With all the poison foreshadowing going on and with a name like the Viper, I have no doubt his spear tip was poisonous. A friend at work who re-watched the episode only hardened my belief by telling me there was someone “wiping down his blades”:dubious: I really hope Tyrian can wiggle out of this somehow. If he does, he NEEDS to get his ass out of Kings Landing immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Dunkelheit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dunkelheit/32/248_2.png) [@Dunkelheit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunkelheit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/272 "2014-06-04T19:55:50Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Does anyone remember the three betrayals Dany saw in her vision in The House of Blue Lips? Lord Friendzone has got to be one of them, but I don’t exactly remember what they were and how they were worded. “House of Blue Lips”, LOL. I was in a play called “House of Blue Leaves” once, is that a reference? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/273 "2014-06-04T20:09:24Z")
> [@Dunkelheit](#): > > “House of Blue Lips”, LOL. I was in a play called “House of Blue Leaves” once, is that a reference? I was actually thinking of the theme restaurant/music place, House of Blues, co-founded by Dan Ackroyd. They’re still around, right? ---
**Author:** ![california\_jobcase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9d8465/32.png) [@california\_jobcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/california_jobcase)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/274 "2014-06-04T20:14:49Z")
The creature Tyrion picked up and released was not a beetle. It was a wood louse or sow bug. Just a nitpick- ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/275 "2014-06-04T20:18:41Z")
Around here we call them pillbugs. They don’t bite people, but they can damage flowers and plants with their munching: [http://citybugs.tamu.edu/files/2010/06/pillbug-small.jpg](http://citybugs.tamu.edu/files/2010/06/pillbug-small.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![o0oTOPCATo0o](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3ec8ea/32.png) [@o0oTOPCATo0o](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/o0oTOPCATo0o)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/276 "2014-06-04T20:23:30Z")
> [@california\_jobcase](#): > > The creature Tyrion picked up and released was not a beetle. It was a wood louse or sow bug. Just a nitpick- Just to nitpick back, I called it a bug. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/277 "2014-06-04T20:27:25Z")
It’s actually not even an insect. It’s a crustacean. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/278 "2014-06-04T20:27:46Z")
As long as it’s not a goddamned potato. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/279 "2014-06-04T20:29:17Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > It’s actually not even an insect. It’s a crustacean. Is it part dragon though? ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2014, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/280 "2014-06-04T20:50:00Z")
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