# Game of Thrones 4.08 "The Mountain and the Viper" 6/1/14 \[no spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 2, 2014, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809 "2014-06-02T03:04:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/121 "2014-06-02T21:16:22Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Fair enough, Tommen certainly _could_ change the sentence, but from what we’ve seen, he will do exactly what Tywin tells him to do and nothing else. Joffrey was a loose cannon who was drunk with power, Tommen is so far just a proxy for Tywin. Is Tommen at the duel? I could see Margery standing up right after the fight and begging mercy from the King–citing since both champions paid a heavy price then surely the Gods must think Tyrion is at least partially blameless… In public, with a hot girl who probably gave him his first royal boner, he might be hard pressed to deny her and not lose her affectionl. Tywin would be hesitant to so blatantly “grandad” the king in the open. Cersie would lose her shit and it would probably be all out courtly war between her and Margery. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/122 "2014-06-02T21:25:43Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Is Tommen at the duel? I could see Margery standing up right after the fight and begging mercy from the King–citing since both champions paid a heavy price then surely the Gods must think Tyrion is at least partially blameless… In public, with a hot girl who probably gave him his first royal boner, he might be hard pressed to deny her and not lose her affectionl. Tywin would be hesitant to so blatantly “grandad” the king in the open. Cersie would lose her shit and it would probably be all out courtly war between her and Margery. Ok, I can see that happening. That may well have been set up when Olenna flat out told Margaery that Tyrion didn’t do it, and the uncomfortable looks that she had during the trial. Could easily go nowhere but could also easily go here. And it would be a deft move to use that to reignite conflict between Cersei and Margaery, which seems to have calmed down a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/123 "2014-06-02T21:26:32Z")
Why would Margery ask for mercy for Tyrion? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/124 "2014-06-02T21:33:59Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Why would Margery ask for mercy for Tyrion? Because she knows he’s innocent… and maybe to fuck with Cersei a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/125 "2014-06-02T21:36:47Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Why would Margery ask for mercy for Tyrion? I don’t know if there is anything in it for her, although she may see an angle we don’t. Upsetting Cersei is one, and gaining a Lannister friend might be another. But Margaery knows for a fact that Tyrion is innocent. While she is a very cagey woman, she may be more scrupulous than her grandmother and just not like the idea of an innocent person being put to death on her watch. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/126 "2014-06-02T21:38:54Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Because she knows he’s innocent… You watching the same show as us? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/127 "2014-06-02T21:48:22Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > You watching the same show as us? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/128 "2014-06-02T21:48:53Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > You watching the same show as us? Granny Tyrell told Margaery flat out that Tyrion was innocent. Not quite the same as Marg herself knowing first-hand, but I’m sure that’s what’s being referred to. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/129 "2014-06-02T21:51:44Z")
I think the question there is “since when does anyone on this show care about guilt or innocence?” Which is a fair question- lots of characters don’t care about that distinction for all sorts of reasons. But I think it’s possible that Margaery will. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/130 "2014-06-02T22:01:00Z")
That was torture porn. No more of this sadistic show for me. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/131 "2014-06-02T22:02:17Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > That was torture porn. No more of this sadistic show for me. Why, specifically? Because it was gory? Because a “good guy” died? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/132 "2014-06-02T22:03:28Z")
See ya next week 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/133 "2014-06-02T22:06:45Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > That was torture porn. No more of this sadistic show for me. So you don’t think the violence served the story? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/134 "2014-06-02T22:20:14Z")
And how did you manage to get THIS far without having to drop out before? ---
**Author:** ![Vicullum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/6de8d8/32.png) [@Vicullum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vicullum)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/135 "2014-06-02T22:27:35Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > That was torture porn. No more of this sadistic show for me. So you stuck with it when Ramsay was actually torturing Theon Greyjoy and _this_ is what makes you quit? If anything Oberyn’s death, while messy, was fairly quick. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/136 "2014-06-02T22:30:59Z")
He could be talking about the flayed guy i guess. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/137 "2014-06-02T22:31:38Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > “Lord of the Seven Kingdoms,” meaning not literally seven, count them, kingdoms, each of which is ruled by a king, but rather the nine-territory region that comprises the geographical unit known as the “Seven Kingdoms.” No, there are seven specific kingdoms. Remember King Robert (I think it was him) talking about “making the eight”, meaning sleeping with one woman from each of the seven kingdoms, plus the Riverlands. This implies there’s a specific seven distinct regions that are the “Seven Kingdoms”, and the Riverlands is not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Fornicator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Fornicator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Fornicator)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/138 "2014-06-02T22:42:34Z")
I’m guessing a little finger isn’t what Sansa’s about. Loved her villianous accessorising. D’you think it’s too soon to get Oberon’s ex’s number? ---
**Author:** ![PatriotGrrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9dc877/32.png) [@PatriotGrrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotGrrrl)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/139 "2014-06-02T22:43:34Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Is Tommen at the duel? I could see Margery standing up right after the fight and begging mercy from the King–citing since both champions paid a heavy price then surely the Gods must think Tyrion is at least partially blameless… In public, with a hot girl who probably gave him his first royal boner, he might be hard pressed to deny her and not lose her affection. Not only that, it’s obvious Jamie wants Tyrion to live, and while I don’t think we’ve seen Tommen and Jamie together much, you know Jamie would be the cool ‘uncle’. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809/140 "2014-06-02T22:46:50Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Curious to see what’s in store for next weeks Episode 8. Seems like every season the penultimate episode contains the seasons most shocking or memorable occurance. Season 1 had Ned losing his head, season two had the battle at blackwater bay, season 3 had the red wedding. It’s going to be hard to top this weeks episode only 1 week later. Not really. Tyrion is still alive, and currently the only remaining character anyone with a heart actually loves anymore. So, he’s bound to die next episode. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-08-the-mountain-and-the-viper-6-1-14-no-spoilers/689809.md?page=8)