# Game of Thrones 4.10 "The Children" 6/15/14 \[no spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 15, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819 "2014-06-15T14:36:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/381 "2014-06-20T13:42:28Z")
Still haven’t read the whole thread. (So little time!) Old Tree Guy told Bran that Jojen knew what would happen. He knew when he started the journey. If so, wouldn’t you think he might have mentioned ‘Hey guys? Let’s see if we can get around the flat area. Or at least, you should know there are dead guys under the snow who are waiting to kill us. Don’t let me fall down, m’kay?’ ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/382 "2014-06-20T13:47:57Z")
I suspect what was meant was that Jojen knew that he would not make it to the tree, not necessarily that he knew _how_ he would die. ---
**Author:** ![Neverending\_Elbow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e274bd/32.png) [@Neverending\_Elbow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neverending_Elbow)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/383 "2014-06-20T13:48:07Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Still haven’t read the whole thread. (So little time!) > > Old Tree Guy told Bran that Jojen knew what would happen. He knew when he started the journey. If so, wouldn’t you think he might have mentioned ‘Hey guys? Let’s see if we can get around the flat area. Or at least, you should know there are dead guys under the snow who are waiting to kill us. Don’t let me fall down, m’kay?’ Maybe it was a more general “I’m-going-to-die” type premonition, without the exact time and manner. ETA: Ninja’ed by Dewey Finn! ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/384 "2014-06-20T14:26:40Z")
Why was Jojen so weak in the first place? I don’t really remember what caused that. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/385 "2014-06-20T14:30:53Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Why was Jojen so weak in the first place? I don’t really remember what caused that. He was kind of sickly from the get go, I think he’s had at least two on-screen seizures. All that walking and sleeping outdoors in an icy wilderness probably didn’t help either. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/386 "2014-06-20T15:03:20Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Why was Jojen so weak in the first place? I don’t really remember what caused that. Sure looked like epilepsy. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/387 "2014-06-20T16:59:54Z")
Here are GOT seasons one through three explained in nine (!) minutes. Take a deep breath… [GAME OF THRONES IN 1 TAKE IN 9 MINUTES - YouTube](http://goo.gl/jZw8ox) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/388 "2014-06-20T20:48:43Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > He’s assuming that whatever ex-Maester Qyburn is doing to the nearly-dead Gregor “The Mountain” Clegane will result in a not-wholly-human creature, which seems like a pretty fair guess. How will we be able to tell the difference between Zombie Mountain and Original Mountain? He was never really one for courtly manners and dazzling verbal repartee to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/389 "2014-06-20T20:51:01Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > How will we be able to tell the difference between Zombie Mountain and Original Mountain? He was never really one for courtly manners and dazzling verbal repartee to begin with. He won’t smell any better, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2014, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/390 "2014-06-20T21:03:34Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He won’t smell any better, that’s for sure. No argument here. I heard news yesterday that 3D television has been a major disappointment, sales-wise. Perhaps the coming seasons of GoT could be employed to promote a _new_ innovation: Smell-o-Vision. Wouldn’t we all like to experience the fragrant terrace-gardens of King’s Landing and the bracing salt air of the Narrow Sea? The fiery breath of Dany’s dragons would shock us with a rush of sulfur, and the bazaars of Meereen would intrigue us with the scents of costly unguents and perfumes. Everything else would probably pretty much stink. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/391 "2014-06-21T02:13:26Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Smell-o-Vision. Please include a “mute” feature for Littlefinger’s Brothel, and Jaime’s cell while imprisoned by Robb, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/392 "2014-06-21T02:22:52Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Please include a “mute” feature for Littlefinger’s Brothel, and Jaime’s cell while imprisoned by Robb, etc. Good point. Though sitting in a room with the GoT Smellovision on might well become a new sort of mind-bending experience, like taking LSD was, back in the day. You can sort of imagine the chest-thumping challenges that would be issued: \*Are you tough enough to take Hodor’s Embrace? \*and that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/393 "2014-06-21T04:06:55Z")
Didn’t someone say that, in approaching King’s Landing by road, you would smell it before you could see it? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/394 "2014-06-21T12:30:24Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > Please include a “mute” feature for Littlefinger’s Brothel, and Jaime’s cell while imprisoned by Robb, etc. I expect Littlefinger keeps his premises smelling pleasant. It’s a classy joint. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/395 "2014-06-21T15:53:45Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I see the reaction that Arya from the captain gets as more of a sign of respect and duty than one of fear, coercion, or expectation of benefit. > > And, no, I saw no suggestion that he complied under a threat that he might be killed had he not. That’s how I saw it, too. I imagine Braavosi kids growing up with legends of Faceless Men, so they all understand the meaning of the coin, and the awesomeness of anyone given one. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Why was Jojen so weak in the first place? I don’t really remember what caused that. I see it as one of those things where you can be a psychic guide (or something) with a great role to play in future events, but in return you get a weak body. Bran seems to be getting a similar deal. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > How will we be able to tell the difference between Zombie Mountain and Original Mountain? He was never really one for courtly manners and dazzling verbal repartee to begin with. Easy. He’ll be the huge one with a beard played by a guy we’ve never seen before. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/396 "2014-06-21T21:04:21Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > Easy. He’ll be the huge one with a beard played by a guy we’ve never seen before. Heh. Yes, if a third one shows up, they’ll have to make a name-badge a component of the character’s outfit. (Or explain that The Mountain is part-Time Lord, perhaps…) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/397 "2014-06-21T21:25:51Z")
\*Hi, my name is THE MOUNTAIN I’m going to KILL YOU\* ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/398 "2014-06-21T21:29:33Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > Easy. He’ll be the huge one with a beard played by a guy we’ve never seen before. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Heh. Yes, if a third one shows up, they’ll have to make a name-badge a component of the character’s outfit. (Or explain that The Mountain is part-Time Lord, perhaps…) Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson, who we saw this season, is the third Mountain. If he’s replaced, Game of Thrones will sort of be the Law & Order of gigantic scary guys. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/399 "2014-06-24T23:52:20Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson, who we saw this season, is the third Mountain. If he’s replaced, Game of Thrones will sort of be the Law & Order of gigantic scary guys. Why oh why couldn’t [she](https://tv.yahoo.com/photos/queen-elizabeth-visits-game-of-thrones-1403629681-slideshow/) sit on the throne just long enough for a picture!? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/400 "2014-06-25T03:02:56Z")
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