# Game of Thrones 4.10 "The Children" 6/15/14 \[no spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 15, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819 "2014-06-15T14:36:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/41 "2014-06-16T03:40:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Who’s going to rule now with Tywin gone? I predict another smooth transition of power. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Can Cersei keep the kingdom together? I’m sure Cersei will continue to act with the diplomacy and tact we’ve all become accustomed to. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Where is Tyrion headed? Probably out of Westeros where I suspect his story will intersect with the only other people we know who live outside of Westeros - Dany, and co. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What’s Arya going to do in Braavos? Given the major industries of Braavos appear to be banking and exporting swarthy badasses, I think probably one of those. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Is the Hound really going to die? I suspect we will never truly know. I’m wondering what happens to his brother! > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What’s going to happen at the Wall now that Stannis is there? Probably keep standing for another thousand years. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/42 "2014-06-16T03:53:45Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > …Given the major industries of Braavos appear to be banking and exporting swarthy badasses, I think probably one of those… Yes, I can see Arya as a bank teller with a really bad attitude. Perhaps she can learn from the banker Mark Gatiss played… ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/43 "2014-06-16T03:56:46Z")
Good season finale in that it just opened up several new plots, but it didn’t have any jawdropping moments–close was that Shae was sleeping with Tywin now. Very sad to see Tywin and the Hound go since they usually provided great scenes. My prediction from a few weeks ago about how the Hound/Arya and Brienne/Pod meet up would end up tragically was pretty spot on. I like that they made it ambiguous from Arya’s perspective whether or not she should trust Brienne. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/44 "2014-06-16T03:59:33Z")
Also, Arya’s not going to Bravos. She’s going to the Wall. She asked the Captain to take her there and he said “No” he’s going home to Bravos. That’s when she then magic coined him to get him to take her. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/45 "2014-06-16T04:05:18Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Also, Arya’s not going to Bravos. She’s going to the Wall. She asked the Captain to take her there and he said “No” he’s going home to Bravos. That’s when she then magic coined him to get him to take her. No. She’s going to Braavos. The coin was for passage there. It wasn’t magic. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/46 "2014-06-16T04:18:11Z")
I actually got pretty sad when Dany had to lock up her babies. But it had to be done ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/47 "2014-06-16T04:31:03Z")
RIP Jojen, the Hound, Tywin, Shae Awesome fight between Brienne and the Hound! So Stannis and his men took ships and landed north of the Wall, yes? The one thing I wish is that we’d seen how Shae ended up with Tywin. I’ve found it hard to buy that she could really hate Tyrion so much to condemn him to death and then try to kill him herself. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/48 "2014-06-16T04:32:57Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > I actually got pretty sad when Dany had to lock up her babies. But it had to be done Did it have to be done? Surely a dead child here and there is a reasonable price to pay for magic dragons. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/49 "2014-06-16T04:35:06Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > Did it have to be done? Surely a dead child here and there is a reasonable price to pay for magic dragons. Lock up? Wasn’t that a death sentence? It looked like the tide would come in and the dragons would drown. I could be mistaken. But that is just the feeling I got about it. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/50 "2014-06-16T04:39:26Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > Lock up? > > Wasn’t that a death sentence? It looked like the tide would come in and the dragons would drown. > > I could be mistaken. But that is just the feeling I got about it. No, they’re just locked up. It would’ve been a much bigger and longer scene if she was planning on killing her children. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/51 "2014-06-16T04:41:17Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > The one thing I wish is that we’d seen how Shae ended up with Tywin. I’ve found it hard to buy that she could really hate Tyrion so much to condemn him to death and then try to kill him herself. My take was that she was Tywin’s girl from the beginning, and that the entire time she was with Tyrion she was spying on and playing him. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/52 "2014-06-16T04:42:51Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > RIP Jojen, the Hound, Tywin, Shae > > Awesome fight between Brienne and the Hound! > > So Stannis and his men took ships and landed north of the Wall, yes? > > The one thing I wish is that we’d seen how Shae ended up with Tywin. I’ve found it hard to buy that she could really hate Tyrion so much to condemn him to death and then try to kill him herself. It felt so empty there was no dialogue between them and almost none between son and father. With dialogue, those two scenes could have been very rich and satisfying. What would have been even more satisfying would have been to have seen Cersei’s reaction and some dialogue between her and Jaime. Or any kind of words of rage from her. I was very disappointed with the skeletons rising from the snow. It just seemed like yet another CGI creation without any real relationship to the rest of the story. Perhaps if you go back to the very first episode, those skeletons may have been described. But without any background story showing any relationships between those creatures and the “Winter is coming” tale, it was just all so “ho hum”. Sorry. I just found this episode very lacking. The fight between Brienne and The Hound was edited very poorly. Again, no dialogue with Arya to indicate how she felt about it all. I just can’t see getting all excited about waiting 9.5 months to see another 10 episodes. This show felt like something really special when it began. But now it just seems to feel kind of stupid - especially Dani and her whacked dragons. The show would be much better if they just cut her out. And it would be enormously better if they cut out about half of the remaining characters. Just my opinion. I know most of you seem to love this show. But it’s all just … ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/53 "2014-06-16T04:43:06Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > I actually got pretty sad when Dany had to lock up her babies. But it had to be done Very nearly got a little bit choked up there myself–or rather, when her babies realized she was turning her back on them. Of course, I’m not the standard GoT watcher; I sympathize a bit more with the dragons than most. But still… a bit of a catch in the throat, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/54 "2014-06-16T04:44:53Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > No, they’re just locked up. It would’ve been a much bigger and longer scene if she was planning on killing her children. OK. Thank you for setting me straight on that. But, you really think she is going to arrange to have them fed and cleaned and cared for all the rest of their lives? That just seems kind of bizarre to me. Why not just kill them outright and have done with it? Leaving them there like she did, they could always escape or someone could free them and two very angry dragons would not bode well for the people. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/55 "2014-06-16T04:46:42Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > I was very disappointed with the skeletons rising from the snow. It just seemed like yet another CGI creation without any real relationship to the rest of the story. Perhaps if you go back to the very first episode, those skeletons may have been described. But without any background story showing any relationships between those creatures and the “Winter is coming” tale, it was just all so “ho hum”. Have you somehow managed to miss the whole White Walkers plot line, which started in the cold open for the first episode of the first season? You know, the weird magical creatures that lead an army of the undead? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/56 "2014-06-16T05:08:42Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > My take was that she was Tywin’s girl from the beginning, and that the entire time she was with Tyrion she was spying on and playing him. I don’t think anything in the show (before Tyrion tried to send her away) backs that up. Everything we saw indicated that she was truly in love with and devoted to Tyrion. Tywin even threatened Tyrion, more than once, against keeping a whore at King’s Landing. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Prize](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d2c977/32.png) [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/57 "2014-06-16T05:10:58Z")
Wow, that’s a lot of great characters dead. I actually predicted that Tywin would have been the one to save Tyrion through escape or pardon so I believed him, a bit. Varys leaving with Tyrion was a shock. I wonder if we will see much of King’s Landing next season. There is barely anyone left there. I can not imagine the men at the bloody gate not sending word to the Erie that someone claiming to be Arya Stark was at the door. I guess Littlefinger will investigate and find Brienne and the Pod. I feel bad for the Freemen and giants. I am going to assume that Stannis had help planning the attack from one of the other Night’s Watch castles since that attack was too coordinated for unknown territory. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/58 "2014-06-16T05:15:14Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I don’t think anything in the show (before Tyrion tried to send her away) backs that up. Everything we saw indicated that she was truly in love with and devoted to Tyrion. Tywin even threatened Tyrion, more than once, against keeping a whore at King’s Landing. Agreed. I’d always assumed she did it because Tywin told her he’d kill Tyrion if she didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/59 "2014-06-16T05:19:14Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > OK. Thank you for setting me straight on that. > > But, you really think she is going to arrange to have them fed and cleaned and cared for all the rest of their lives? That just seems kind of bizarre to me. Why not just kill them outright and have done with it? Leaving them there like she did, they could always escape or someone could free them and two very angry dragons would not bode well for the people. She’s not going to have them killed because they’re her children. ---
**Author:** ![Stowed\_Bob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stowed_bob/32/3312_2.png) [@Stowed\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stowed_Bob)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819/60 "2014-06-16T05:48:10Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Orson is the last best hope for Westoros, before he is kicked by a mule and killed. The beetles are coming. BETRAYED by a mule. Orson’s only ally compromised by the Beetle Queen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-4-10-the-children-6-15-14-no-spoilers/690819.md?page=4)