# Game of Thrones 5.01 "The Wars to Come" 4/12/15 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 12, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486 "2015-04-12T14:37:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/61 "2015-04-13T14:24:50Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > I loved the witch’s prediction of her future: > > Three children for you. Check. Twenty for the King. No way to really know, but this witch has a pretty good track record so far, so I’ll give this a 50/50. > Not going to marry the Prince but will marry the King. Check. > Her children will all wear a gold crown and a gold shroud. Two crowns down, one to go. One shroud down, two to go. > Queen (check) until a younger more beautiful woman takes her crown. Well that’s coming right on up. Everything Cersei has done, such as sending her daughter away, has been with the witch’s prophecy in mind. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/62 "2015-04-13T14:34:45Z")
I was disappointed that the writers chose not to introduce the kingdom of South Centros this week. You had to have seen the SNL skit on Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/63 "2015-04-13T15:00:26Z")
To me it seems obvious Melisandre is hoping to bone Jon Snow. I mean, why would she ask if he was a virgin and seem pleased he isn’t. Maybe we’ll be treated with another shadowbaby. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/64 "2015-04-13T15:12:04Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Everything Cersei has done, such as sending her daughter away, has been with the witch’s prophecy in mind. Remember it was Tyrion who sent Myrcella to Dorne, not Cersei. Cersei was pissed about it as well. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/65 "2015-04-13T15:13:37Z")
> [@Gothic](#): > > What reasons would Varys had of supporting her for years before she showed any promise? I fail to see how her early notions of justice would benefit Westeros in any way. He said that Robert was a disaster, and they saw the Targaryen name (Viserys) as the most viable option. Perhaps Illyrio oversold Viserys’ suitability to lead. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/66 "2015-04-13T15:23:43Z")
Liked this episode a lot. Creepy funeral-eyes on Tywin - brrrr! Surprised Jaime didn’t try, even half-heartedly, to deny freeing Tyrion. Tyrion looks good with a beard. The young Aerie lordling really was pathetic during sword-and-shield practice. Odd that the dragons would breathe fire but not actually crisp Dany. Is Jon going to tell an angry Stannis, “I know you meant to burn Mance, and you did, but you never said he had to _die_ from burning”? > [@Shakester](#): > > I am a straight male, but I do not begrudge gay/bi men, and many straight women, being catered to. You know, not everything in every universe exists only for the benefit of straight men. Everyone has a right to a little titillation. Darn tootin’. This is HBO, after all. > [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > The only shocking thing was how Daenerys didn’t show her boobs for once, in the most Hollywoodish-fashion possible… I thought she actually looked rather haggard in her close-up while in bed. Not shown to her best advantage. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I agree, and this is what I meant – she disapproves of his flaunting, not his sexuality. She just wants him to be discrete. > [@Gothic](#): > > …she was upset about the lack of responsibility with Lora’s behavior of being late and indiscrete… He’s definitely discrete; I think she wants him to be discreet. > [@DigitalC](#): > > I really liked babby Cersei, she was so…Joffreyeesh Yes! Great opening scene with the fortuneteller. > [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > I loved the witch’s prediction of her future: > …Queen (check) until a younger more beautiful woman takes her crown. Well that’s coming right on up. Yes, but is it Margaery? Dany? Sansa? Someone else…? > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Everything Cersei has done, such as sending her daughter away, has been with the witch’s prophecy in mind. Cersei didn’t do that; as \*\*ISiddiqui \*\*notes, Tyrion (while Hand) did, over her angry objection. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/67 "2015-04-13T15:34:15Z")
Huh, I never thought of Daenerys as the younger and more beautiful queen who replaces Cersei. Danerys really needs to get her queen on though before that can happen. Who worries about fighting pits when you’ve got a kingdom to conquer? Young Cersei really did look like a combination of Joffrey and older Cersei. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/68 "2015-04-13T15:48:25Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > The only shocking thing was how Daenerys didn’t show her boobs for once, in the most Hollywoodish-fashion possible. > > I guess she wasn’t kidding when she said she was done with nudity. This was really disappointing. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/69 "2015-04-13T16:03:39Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > To me it seems obvious Melisandre is hoping to bone Jon Snow. I mean, why would she ask if he was a virgin and seem pleased he isn’t. Maybe we’ll be treated with another shadowbaby. I thought that was a call-back to the leeches she used on Gendry; wasn’t he a virgin? She needed king’s blood to do that magic, and it seems like his virginity made it more powerful, or something. So maybe she senses king’s blood in Jon Snow as well. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/70 "2015-04-13T16:53:29Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > I loved the witch’s prediction of her future: > > Three children for you. Check. Except that Cersei had FOUR children. Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella, who we’ve seen, and her first child, a son who died while still a baby, who she talked to Catelyn about way back in the pilot episode. Unless she just made that up for some reason. Overall an enjoyable setup episode, with some great scenes, my favorite being young lord Robin trying to learn to swing a sword. The only plotline I’m not at all interested in is whether Grey Wurm and Missandei have a romance or not. Snooze. All the other stuff we saw was interesting. So who is MIA so far? -Bran/Hodor/Meera -Arya -Roose/Ramsey/Theon -Qyburn and his experiments on The Mountain -Yara and the other Iron Islanders -Rickon/Osha/Shaggydog ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/71 "2015-04-13T16:58:12Z")
Didn’t we last see Gendry in a rowboat, a couple of seasons ago? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/72 "2015-04-13T17:07:14Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > […]Overall an enjoyable setup episode, with some great scenes, my favorite being young lord Robin trying to learn to swing a sword. […] “Swings his sword like a little girl with Palsy.” I about peed when he said that. As far as MIA, do we think The Hound is really dead? Might he lick his wounds (and compound leg fracture), and somehow manage to survive? That last scene between Arya and him was sad, painful and tragic, but no one’s dead, until we see them good and dead. ETA: Also, can someone remind me what was up with the Daario storyline? I completely forget anything about him. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/73 "2015-04-13T17:10:14Z")
I have a little girl with palsy and she can swing much better than that. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/74 "2015-04-13T17:11:50Z")
> [@Gothic](#): > > I have a little girl with palsy and she can swing much better than that. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/75 "2015-04-13T17:14:58Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Except that Cersei had FOUR children. Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella, who we’ve seen, and her first child, a son who died while still a baby, who she talked to Catelyn about way back in the pilot episode. Unless she just made that up for some reason. No, that was covered because the witch basically told her that she and Robert wouldn’t have children together. If you don’t survive infancy, you don’t really count. The infant mortality rate has got to be insane during those times. Say it’s comparable to our 1400’s or 1500’s. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/76 "2015-04-13T17:16:36Z")
Heh, now I want to see a duel between Robin and Samwell Tarly. ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/77 "2015-04-13T17:19:12Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Odd that the dragons would breathe fire but not actually crisp Dany. > > I thought she actually looked rather haggard in her close-up while in bed. Not shown to her best advantage. > > Yes, but is it Margaery? Dany? Sansa? Someone else…? Fire doesn’t touch the Mother of Dragons. She doesn’t burn. Ever. They can eat her for lunch, but they can’t burn her. She’s put on a few pounds. It makes her face look different. All younger and prettier … ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/78 "2015-04-13T17:19:54Z")
I’d like to see Samwell just shove that brat out the damn Moon Door. ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/79 "2015-04-13T17:20:19Z")
> [@Gothic](#): > > Heh, now I want to see a duel between Robin and Samwell Tarly. That baby named after Samwell could deliver a smackdown on Robin. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/80 "2015-04-13T17:22:20Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > Fire doesn’t touch the Mother of Dragons. She doesn’t burn. Ever. They can eat her for lunch, but they can’t burn her. > > She’s put on a few pounds. It makes her face look different. > > All younger and prettier … The realist in me couldn’t help thinking how the fetters around the dragon’s necks didn’t choke them as they grew to such massive proportions. But hey, MAGIC! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486.md?page=5)