# Game of Thrones 5.01 "The Wars to Come" 4/12/15 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 12, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486 "2015-04-12T14:37:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/81 "2015-04-13T17:27:44Z")
I thought they were just showing their displeasure at being locked away. She needs some lessons on how to train her dragons… Robin’s weakness seemed less realistic to me because he is a young boy in a castle with lots of stairs. Was he locked in his room for twenty hours a day, or just lactose intolerant? ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/82 "2015-04-13T17:32:12Z")
Usual setting up the pieces season premiere, but I love slipping back into Westeros like a pair of comfy slippers. Almost expected Jaime and Cersei to go for another round of deathbed sex… thankfully we were spared that. Excellent acting all around, but especially Tyrion, Mance, Brienne, Jaime, Margaery, Grey Worm. Glad to see a flashback finally. Maybe we’ll get some filling in on the mysteries that went to certain characters’ graves… ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/83 "2015-04-13T18:03:29Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > Her children will all wear a gold crown and a gold shroud. Two crowns down, one to go. One shroud down, two to go. The crowns of gold can also be a reference to the Lannister blond hair which set the whole Jon Arryn/Ned Stark investigation into motion. Prophecies always mean something else, and seemingly good predictions have a way of biting you in the ass. > [@](#): > > Queen (check) until a younger more beautiful woman takes her crown. Well that’s coming right on up. She think it’s Margaery, of course, but there other candidates. Daenerys? Or better yet…Myrcella? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/84 "2015-04-13T18:24:35Z")
I’ve edited some posts to include a few spoilers. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/85 "2015-04-13T18:34:19Z")
I just didn’t think that Mance was going to burn. I was hoping for something to happen and all I got was Jon’s mercy arrow. I loved the character and the actor. Ciarán Hinds will always be Julius Caesar/Mance. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/86 "2015-04-13T18:39:22Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I’ve edited some posts to include a few spoilers. :dubious: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/87 "2015-04-13T18:41:33Z")
> [@Gothic](#): > > I thought they were just showing their displeasure at being locked away. She needs some lessons on how to train her dragons… If only there was, I dunno, a movie she could watch or something. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/88 "2015-04-13T18:46:52Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > The only shocking thing was how Daenerys didn’t show her boobs for once, in the most Hollywoodish-fashion possible. > > I guess she wasn’t kidding when she said she was done with nudity. I found that jarring, like all of a sudden a scene was saddled with basic cable standards and practices. The sudden modesty is also firmly out of character; there was a scene last season where Danny reminds us that she feels no shame about nudity at all. (When talking with her handmaiden about Grey Worm ogling her boobies at the river.) ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/89 "2015-04-13T19:11:29Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Overall an enjoyable setup episode, with some great scenes, my favorite being young lord Robin trying to learn to swing a sword. When danger reared its ugly head He bravely turned his tail and fled. Brave, brave, brave, brave Ser Robin… ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/90 "2015-04-13T20:18:22Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > And what’s the “Sparrows” (the religious order that Lancel seems to have joined)? Is this the first we have seen them? > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Liked this episode a lot. Creepy funeral-eyes on Tywin - brrrr! Is that painted eyes on stone thing part of any real culture? > [@](#): > > Is Jon going to tell an angry Stannis, “I know you meant to burn Mance, and you did, but you never said he had to _die_ from burning”? Somehow I don’t think Stannis is the kind of guy you want to try rules-lawyering. > [@](#): > > Darn tootin’. This is HBO, after all I’m also interested in the discussion about explicit heterosexual sex being for titillation but explicit homosexuality is just for shock value. How is that different exactly? > [@](#): > > He’s definitely discrete; I think she wants him to be discreet. If you were gonna nitpick, you should also have corrected _Lora’s_ to _Loras’s_. > [@](#): > > Yes! Great opening scene with the fortuneteller I can’t recall. Have we had flashbacks like this before? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/91 "2015-04-13T20:39:19Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > [1] Is this the first we have seen them? > > [2] Is that painted eyes on stone thing part of any real culture? > > [3] Somehow I don’t think Stannis is the kind of guy you want to try rules-lawyering. > > [4] I’m also interested in the discussion about explicit heterosexual sex being for titillation but explicit homosexuality is just for shock value. How is that different exactly? > > [5] If you were gonna nitpick, you should also have corrected _Lora’s_ to _Loras’s_. > > [6] I can’t recall. Have we had flashbacks like this before? 1. Yes. 2. Not that I know of. Placing coins on the eyes of the dead is not uncommon. 3. True dat. 4. It isn’t to me. 5. I missed it - sorry! 6. Not that I recall, either. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/92 "2015-04-13T20:41:26Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > Fire doesn’t touch the Mother of Dragons. She doesn’t burn. Ever. They can eat her for lunch, but they can’t burn her… My point is they didn’t even direct the flames towards her. They were doing up in the air and nowhere near her, it looked like. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/93 "2015-04-13T20:51:08Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Somehow I don’t think Stannis is the kind of guy you want to try rules-lawyering. I don’t know about that - Stannis seems to be all about rules. I would think he’d find the loophole finding irritating, but he’d allow it. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nauplius/32/51_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/94 "2015-04-13T21:07:16Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > So who is MIA so far? > > -Bran/Hodor/Meera > -Arya > -Roose/Ramsey/Theon > -Qyburn and his experiments on The Mountain > -Yara and the other Iron Islanders > -Rickon/Osha/Shaggydog Also Jorah Mormont. Last seen riding away from Mereen after being banished. ---
**Author:** ![Queen\_Tonya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/4491bb/32.png) [@Queen\_Tonya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queen_Tonya)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/95 "2015-04-13T21:14:15Z")
Somehow, Mance’s death really surprised me. I’d rewatched the last few episodes of S4 in anticipation, and so many important characters died all in a row that I actually thought “well hey, it’s only ep 1 so at least we know no one will die this time.” :smack: Poor Jon. He’s still grieving Ygritte and Pip and Grenn, and probably kind of heart sick at how many of the free folks died too, but there he is the next day in the training yard working his butt off…and then blammo. Stannis orders him to go convince Mance of a deal Jon knows Mance will refuse, so Jon’s going to feel even more of the burden of responsibility for not being able to prevent more death. Remember how impressed Tyrion and Bronn were with squire Podrick’s apparent prowess in bed? And there’s Pod with Brienne, all despondent and forlorn. I wonder what might make her feel better? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/96 "2015-04-13T21:40:39Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I don’t know about that - Stannis seems to be all about rules. I would think he’d find the loophole finding irritating, but he’d allow it. Yep. He’d be really sulky mad about it and probably throw a barb at Davos or Jon but he’d accept it. He didn’t even seem mad at the arrow. He turned kind of slowly and his look was more “Hmmm. Who did that?” than “who has robbed the true god of his sacraficcceeee!” ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/97 "2015-04-13T21:58:24Z")
I don’t agree. If what Job did was truly a crime in Stannis’s eyes, then nitpicking would get you only the coldest comfort. Stannis would grant some kind of acknowledgement of possibly mitigating circumstances, but—unless he really wanted to let you off—would still come up with a harsh punishment. Like—“Okay, you get to keep your head, but I’ll have your arms chopped off because they wielded the bow.” I suspect what’s really at issue is that Stannis—unlike Melisandre and Selyse—isn’t too crazy about burning and did plenty satisfied that the execution went through however it was accomplished. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/98 "2015-04-13T22:17:00Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I found that jarring, like all of a sudden a scene was saddled with basic cable standards and practices. The sudden modesty is also firmly out of character; there was a scene last season where Danny reminds us that she feels no shame about nudity at all. (When talking with her handmaiden about Grey Worm ogling her boobies at the river.) Yep, it took me out of the scene because it didn’t fit her character–or the show, at all. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/99 "2015-04-13T22:35:18Z")
Well get used to it because she ain’t showing the goodies any longer. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/100 "2015-04-13T22:51:45Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > If you were gonna nitpick, you should also have corrected _Lora’s_ to _Loras’s_. _Loras’_ would be the preferred form. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486.md?page=6)