# Game of Thrones 5.01 "The Wars to Come" 4/12/15 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 12, 2015, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486 "2015-04-12T14:37:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/101 "2015-04-13T23:09:02Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Well get used to it because she ain’t showing the goodies any longer. I thought the actress who said she wasn’t doing nudity was the one who played Ros and they subsequently killed her. Was it confirmed it was Emilia Clarke? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/102 "2015-04-13T23:45:22Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > _Loras’_ would be the preferred form. 😃 It’s an acceptable form, but it’s not preferred. AP goes with the 'S. Chicago suggests the apostrophe alone only for certain historical names like Achilles. My company’s publication rules require the 'S in all instances and that’s pretty common these days. The “Jesus exception” is becoming old-fashioned. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/103 "2015-04-13T23:46:41Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I thought the actress who said she wasn’t doing nudity was the one who played Ros and they subsequently killed her. Was it confirmed it was Emilia Clarke? It was definitely Emilia Clarke, from the start. The actor who played Ros wasn’t important enough for that even to have been in the news. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/104 "2015-04-14T00:30:20Z")
I thought I had posted earlier that I’m always surprised when the show ends. “That’s it! It’s over?” This week I think I see why. We were promised a man burned alive and, knowing this show, we were expecting to see a man burned alive. And then, boom, nobody fries. The end. Now I have to look back and see if all the shows end abruptly like that. Always leave them wanting more. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/105 "2015-04-14T00:36:40Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I thought the actress who said she wasn’t doing nudity was the one who played Ros and they subsequently killed her. Was it confirmed it was Emilia Clarke? Well this is the second instance of gratuitous non nudity we’ve had since then, so yeah i imagine so. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/106 "2015-04-14T01:32:33Z")
If she doesn’t want to do nudity, fine, whatever, but I wish they would at least change the scene so that it doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb. There’s no particular reason they had to have that conversation mid-coitus and her absurdly clutching a sheet around her in private. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/107 "2015-04-14T01:50:05Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > If she doesn’t want to do nudity, fine, whatever, but I wish they would at least change the scene so that it doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb. There’s no particular reason they had to have that conversation mid-coitus and her absurdly clutching a sheet around her in private. Yep, that’s exactly it. It stood not not because she didn’t show her boobs, but because of _how_ she didn’t show her boobs. If looked like a sitcom, which doesn’t match-up at all with how she’s been portrayed ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/108 "2015-04-14T02:24:24Z")
> [@Queen\_Tonya](#): > > …Poor Jon. He’s still grieving Ygritte and Pip and Grenn, and probably kind of heart sick at how many of the free folks died too, but there he is the next day in the training yard working his butt off… Not only that, training the kid who killed Ygritte! The kid thought he was doing his duty and saving Jon’s life, so Jon can hardly blame him, but that can’t make the training session any more enjoyable. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/109 "2015-04-14T02:29:45Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Not only that, training the kid who killed Ygritte! The kid thought he was doing his duty and saving Jon’s life, so Jon can hardly blame him, but that can’t make the training session any more enjoyable. Well he sure didn’t go easy on him. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/110 "2015-04-14T02:34:51Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > Some of the few things re-appeared which annoy me about this otherwise enjoyable series; gay sex and nudity. The nudity really is of the cheap titillating type. The gay sex done for shock value. Yeah, that’s \*totally \*the problem in this universe. ---
**Author:** ![Stowed\_Bob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stowed_bob/32/3312_2.png) [@Stowed\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stowed_Bob)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/111 "2015-04-14T03:00:12Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Podrick didn’t even get to give her the wolf-shaped bread. ☹ That loaf of bread was the key to winning over Arya. I bet Podrick wolfed it down when he was sulking about fate favoring Brienne’s Knightly bluntness and honesty over his King’s Landing sneakiness when it came to identifying Sansa. ---
**Author:** ![Garula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ea666f/32.png) [@Garula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garula)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/112 "2015-04-14T04:37:28Z")
The last scene did a lot to endear Jon Snow to me. It’s such a nasty world that those acts of real mercy and compassion stand out all the more. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/113 "2015-04-14T05:11:22Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Not only that, training the kid who killed Ygritte! The kid thought he was doing his duty and saving Jon’s life, so Jon can hardly blame him, but that can’t make the training session any more enjoyable. Ygritte killed his dad. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/114 "2015-04-14T13:04:32Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s an acceptable form, but it’s not preferred. It’s preferred by me, though. I’m hopelessly old-fashioned when it comes to apostrophe use. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/115 "2015-04-14T13:08:22Z")
And of course being HBO, instead of Maggie the Frog, we got Maggie The…wellll, hellloooo. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/116 "2015-04-14T13:33:28Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s an acceptable form, but it’s not preferred. AP goes with the 'S. Chicago suggests the apostrophe alone only for certain historical names like Achilles. > > My company’s publication rules require the 'S in all instances and that’s pretty common these days. The “Jesus exception” is becoming old-fashioned. Interesting. I didn’t know that. > [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > It’s preferred by me, though. I’m hopelessly old-fashioned when it comes to apostrophe use. 😉 Me too. 🙂 Anyway. Back to the show thread. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/117 "2015-04-14T15:38:48Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Ygritte killed his dad. Let’s not bicker and argue over who killed who… ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/118 "2015-04-14T15:42:46Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > And of course being HBO, instead of Maggie the Frog, we got Maggie The…wellll, hellloooo. Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/119 "2015-04-14T15:50:23Z")
Well they found a different brothel to show. Guess they got tired of the one Littlefinger runs. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486/120 "2015-04-14T15:50:45Z")
I’m not sure if predictions are frowned upon, so here is my spoilered take on Melisandre and Jon Snow: I think that Melisandre is Jon’s mother (and that she knows it). When she first looked at him through the fire in the last episode of last season, I just had a feeling based on the way she looked at him. I went back to watch the 1st 3 seasons. There was a scene when Ned and King Robert are hunting and discussing their actions during the overthrow of the Mad King. Robert asks Ned to remind him of the name of the woman he had sex with during the war and says: “Was it Me-, Mel- something?” Ned doesn’t answer, but this did somewhat validate my prediction. If true, this would also make the question about what Melisandre wants with Jon more interesting. After all, he doesn’t have royal blood as far as we know. Unless, of course, she’s his mother and knows better. That’s the great thing about the show. There are almost no wasted lines. Just about every statement means something and many provide clues or insights that foreshadow future revelations. After watching the first 4 seasons again, there is so much more I learned. Once we learn that Littlefinger is the real facilitator of just about everything that happens in the Westeros part of the show, I realize that his words and actions in prior episodes reveal so much. Why does everyone here think that Stannis is so rigid and unforgiving? Is that from the books? Because he seems quite even-keeled to me. He certainly believes in duty and rules, but the fact that he freed Davos and effectively allowed Davos to free Gendry tells me that he’s not all-in on Melisandre. He didn’t even punish Davos for letting Gendry get away. Also, why did Robert assign the unattractive island of Dragonstone to Stannis, but allow Renly to remain alongside him in King’s Landing? I believe that Stannis made a comment in a prior season about not liking that decision. Also, how did Stannis acquire such a well-trained army so fast? I know he borrowed a substantial amount of money from the Bank of Braavos, but where did he find so many ready soldiers? Finally, what _is_ the deal with the googly eyes placed on the corpses? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-01-the-wars-to-come-4-12-15-show-discussion/717486.md?page=7)