# Game of Thrones 5.02 "The House of Black and White" 4/19 \[Show discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 19, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046 "2015-04-19T16:30:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/141 "2015-04-21T19:35:24Z")
No, seemed realistic to me. One chomp from a giant ornery dragon and she’s lost her hand… or her life. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/142 "2015-04-21T19:45:03Z")
Yeah, she used to be confident that they respected her, now she is not so sure. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/143 "2015-04-21T20:43:02Z")
Wait, were people surprised that Jon got elected Lord Commander? I thought that was the safest bet ever on the show. The first time someone mentioned the election for new Lord Commander last season it seemed obvious that this would happen. Not in a bad way, but in a narratively logical way. It also furthers the Stannis/Jon plot. “Sorry my liege, I’m now Lord Commander and I can’t help you take the North even if I wanted to…but you could still try to get the Wildlings on your side if you let me convince Redbeard to try to lead them.” ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/144 "2015-04-22T02:05:33Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > Well, firstly because the Lannisters are broke and can’t afford to pay a princess’s ransom. And the kingdom is also broke, having just fought an expensive war and suffered loss of trade, etc. > > Secondly, what’s to stop the Dornish from saying “Nope, invade us.” Because, as I just said, the Lannisters and the Seven Kingdoms have just finished fighting a hugely expensive and destructive war. Don’t forget, Dorne was also the only part of Westeros to hold out against the Targaryens who had _dragons_. ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/145 "2015-04-22T02:54:22Z")
Everybody’s favorite part of Game of Thrones, the Facebook recap, is up. I’m spoilering it because they mention certain things we don’t mention in this thread. [http://valarbloghulis.someecards.com/got-recap-season-5/if-game-of-thrones-took-place-entirely-on-facebook-season-5-episode-2/](http://valarbloghulis.someecards.com/got-recap-season-5/if-game-of-thrones-took-place-entirely-on-facebook-season-5-episode-2/) Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got a list that I need to post to Stabify. ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/146 "2015-04-22T03:12:50Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Wait, were people surprised that Jon got elected Lord Commander? I thought that was the safest bet ever on the show. The first time someone mentioned the election for new Lord Commander last season it seemed obvious that this would happen. Not in a bad way, but in a narratively logical way. It also furthers the Stannis/Jon plot. “Sorry my liege, I’m now Lord Commander and I can’t help you take the North even if I wanted to…but you could still try to get the Wildlings on your side if you let me convince Redbeard to try to lead them.” Yep the book made a better story line in this regards but it’s a lot harder with the TV to drag it out. So to me no surprise but if you hadn’t read the books it would be. ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/147 "2015-04-22T03:15:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Also, Bronn knows where his bread is buttered. He would be wise to do what Lannisters tell him to do, unless he plans on disappearing across the sea or something. Oh God he looked so bored talking to his wife to be, he is scrappy little gutter merchant who has made it to polite society but he in his heart is bored. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/148 "2015-04-22T03:17:33Z")
> [@LawMonkey](#): > > Everybody’s favorite part of Game of Thrones, the Facebook recap, is up… Heheh. Thanks. As usual, Bronn gets the best lines. There’s a link there for the season premiere, too. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/149 "2015-04-22T03:35:40Z")
> [@Gothic](#): > > Anyone else think Danny was over acting with her fear of Drogo n? I didn’t see fear. I saw the sadness of a parent who realizes these are her true children…not the people she’s trying to rule. Now if you mean the other two in ep one…I agree. I would have liked to see her sit down and try and talk to them…out of range of their teeth of course. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/150 "2015-04-22T04:22:41Z")
> [@sisu](#): > > Yep the book… …please look at the thread rules. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/151 "2015-04-22T19:02:45Z")
> [@Garula](#): > > I have a question, are we supposed to have an idea how the murder genies fit into Braavosian society yet? When Jacqen gave Arya the coin he said that any man from Braavos would know what it means and help her, and that seems to be the truth. When the ship captain dude dropped her off at the murder clubhouse, it seemed more out of respect than fear. > > So, are we supposed to know anything beyond that? My take on it: Based on the confrontation with Arya and the three thugs and how the thugs run off when the robed dude pops out behind her is that it is just common knowledge that there are assassins in Braavos and you don’t screw around with those guys. So when Arya would show the coin and say the words any man from Braavos would know it was something to do with the assassins and if you don’t want to get on their bad sides you help out whoever presents the coin and says the words. ---
**Author:** ![JcWoman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jcwoman/32/2889_2.png) [@JcWoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JcWoman)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/152 "2015-04-22T20:27:33Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > Drogon was the largest and strongest of the three; that he had upgraded his meals from mutton to long pork was a sign that the dragons were getting wilder and it was just a matter of time before the other two followed him into preying on people. Dany would have locked him up with the other two, but he had disappeared at that point. Maybe she should have spent more time with her chained dragons, but you could see her heart breaking when she walked away from them after chaining them up, and she’s had a pretty full plate since then. I think it’s really sad that Dany chained up her dragons in a dark hole, but I’m a crazy animal person. I’ve been wondering if someone is feeding them. If so, why couldn’t she chain them up in a large field where they at least get sunshine. If it was me, I would have paid some farmer a handsome sum to raise sheep for the express purpose of keeping my pets fed so they don’t go hunting humans. I think she’s painted herself into a corner with this. I suspect that the dragons know she’s betrayed them and don’t appreciate being treated like dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/153 "2015-04-22T20:52:46Z")
> [@JcWoman](#): > > I suspect that the dragons know she’s betrayed them and don’t appreciate being treated like dogs. I’m hoping the dragons turn on her and they get loose and they breed and the dragon population starts coming back and there’s chaos and holy shit there’re dragons all over being all dragony. That would be fun. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/154 "2015-04-22T21:32:03Z")
I think the dragons are big enough to ride now, I bet we see the the first dragon jockey soon. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/155 "2015-04-22T21:48:53Z")
Those dragons _might_ tolerate having Daenerys riding them, but I don’t see them putting up with anyone else. It’s not clear how the Targaryens used dragons in past centuries; perhaps as someone suggested, wargs were used to mind-control them? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/156 "2015-04-22T21:53:20Z")
I’ll argue against the warg theory, because then it diminished the importance of being Targarian with respect to dragons, if any old warg can control dragons. ---
**Author:** ![ctnguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@ctnguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ctnguy)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/157 "2015-04-22T22:15:31Z")
In Season 2 Episode 7, Arya and Tywin have a conversation about the Targaryen Conquest in which they talk about how Aegon and his sisters rode dragons. Now it’s possible that “ride” is used to describe them warging into the dragons, but it seems more likely that they literally rode on their backs. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/158 "2015-04-22T22:31:08Z")
Perhaps the Targaryens developed a close relationship with a particular dragon, so that the dragon didn’t mind having that person ride him/her? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/159 "2015-04-22T23:29:49Z")
Maybe they warged and rode at the same time? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046/160 "2015-04-22T23:36:37Z")
> [@ctnguy](#): > > In Season 2 Episode 7, Arya and Tywin have a conversation about the Targaryen Conquest in which they talk about how Aegon and his sisters rode dragons. Now it’s possible that “ride” is used to describe them warging into the dragons, but it seems more likely that they literally rode on their backs. IIRC during the Conquest one of Aegon’s sisters was able to get the underage King of Mountain and Vale to trade his entire kingdom for a ride on her dragon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-02-the-house-of-black-and-white-4-19-show-discussion/718046.md?page=9)