# Game of Thrones 5.03 "High Sparrow" 4/26/15 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 26, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583 "2015-04-26T17:06:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/41 "2015-04-27T16:35:17Z")
> [@Gothic](#): > > I do not know what Little Finger’s goals are at this point. A marriage between him and Sansa would have given him the North and all he needed to get rid of the Boltons. > > Little Finger giving Sansa to the Boltons reminded me of Dr. Banner’s quote about Loki, “That guy’s brain is a bag full of cats. You can smell crazy on him”. Littlefinger does not want the North, he wants everything. He now has the support of the Eyre and an ally in charge of the North. That is two of the seven kingdoms. Robb Stark had the north and the best army in Westeros and it didn’t do him any good. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/42 "2015-04-27T16:56:05Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > It was, of course, a complete coincidence that Jorah just happened to be in a brothel that prominently featured a Daenerys lookalike. That’s nothing compared to Brienne stumbling across BOTH Stark girls. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/43 "2015-04-27T17:00:39Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > That’s possible, but keep in mind that the Boltons are not a particularly great House, at least, not until recently. They probably did not travel to Winterfell with a large retinue of household staff. Mostly they just brought soldiers and then hired on the locals to work at Winterfell, same as the Starks did. If any survived the burning of Witnerfell, then those same people probably serve there now, and hold a great deal of resentment towards the Boltons, especially Ramsey, who they have come to know all too well. Certainly Ramsey could plant someone in Sansa’s staff to watch her, but I think that woman was genuine. Plus Theon was practically a member of the Stark family, so it’s possible that any servants remaining from the days when the Starks ruled Winterfell might be sympathetic to Theon’s situation and horrified at what’s happened to him. (Assuming they have any idea of the torture he’s undergone. Even without knowing precisely what happened to him, it’s clear that Theon was broken.) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/44 "2015-04-27T17:02:53Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Plus Theon was practically a member of the Stark family, so it’s possible that any servants remaining from the days when the Starks ruled Winterfell might be sympathetic to Theon’s situation and horrified at what’s happened to him. (Assuming they have any idea of the torture he’s undergone. Even without knowing precisely what happened to him, it’s clear that Theon was broken.) The remaining servants saw him burn Bran and Rickon at the stake, they are probably more dangerous to him than the Boltons. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/45 "2015-04-27T17:05:25Z")
I guess I just feel bad for Sansa, Ramsey’s girlfriend is as scary as he is. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/46 "2015-04-27T17:26:02Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > Plus Theon was practically a member of the Stark family, so it’s possible that any servants remaining from the days when the Starks ruled Winterfell might be sympathetic to Theon’s situation and horrified at what’s happened to him. (Assuming they have any idea of the torture he’s undergone. Even without knowing precisely what happened to him, it’s clear that Theon was broken.) > > The remaining servants saw him burn Bran and Rickon at the stake, they are probably more dangerous to him than the Boltons. I forgot about that. OK, they’re not going to be sympathetic to Theon. But Sansa is still basically an innocent in all of these machinations. What other characters have we seen who aren’t guilty of some misdeed? Brienne and Podrick come to mind. But most of the characters have blood on their hands. Some quite a lot of blood. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/47 "2015-04-27T17:44:33Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Unless Littlefinger is lying. We know he lied, his lips were moving. ---
**Author:** ![SecretaryofEvil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@SecretaryofEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecretaryofEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/48 "2015-04-27T17:45:34Z")
> [@SecretaryofEvil](#): > > It was, of course, a complete coincidence that Jorah just happened to be in a brothel that prominently featured a Daenerys lookalike. > [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > That’s nothing compared to Brienne stumbling across BOTH Stark girls. I was actually implying that Jorah was there for the services of the prostitute imitating his former Khaleesi. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Evil\_Prince\_Zorte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@The\_Evil\_Prince\_Zorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Evil_Prince_Zorte)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/49 "2015-04-27T17:53:27Z")
> [@](#): > > I do not know what Little Finger’s goals are at this point. A marriage between him and Sansa would have given him the North and all he needed to get rid of the Boltons. > > Little Finger giving Sansa to the Boltons reminded me of Dr. Banner’s quote about Loki, “That guy’s brain is a bag full of cats. You can smell crazy on him”. Little Finger already has the Vale. In some ways it is better to control a thing than to own it, so he can control the north through Sansa while continuing to own the Vale. The Boltons’ hold on Winterfell is likely temporary with Stannis planning to attack, so ideally Sansa will be left widowed and in control of the North. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/50 "2015-04-27T18:00:10Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > “The north remembers”! Yay! Got a teeshirt which says that. I can’t believe how mainstream they are these days. Go to any college town and you see hordes of Sorority girls wearing “The North Face” jackets. Girl, I hear ya! I wouldn’t want to face them either when they start remembering. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/51 "2015-04-27T18:28:28Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > They made sure to let us know the Little Finger was unaware of what king of man Ramsey is. I think it’s most likely that Littlefinger has heard some rumors but doesn’t know the full truth. He likely thinks that Ramsay is more like Joffrey. I think if Joffrey had ended up married to Margaery, he would have treated her vaguely poorly, but would have reserved his crossbowing and torture for whores who didn’t matter. Ramsay is a whole other level of sadistic crazy, but I doubt Littlefinger knows that he likes to hunt women through the forest like dogs. I think Littlefinger’s overall plan is a sound one. If 5 years down the line Sansa has an legitimate Bolton baby, and is a legitimate Stark, and Roose and Ramsay are both conveniently dead, and there’s a good bit of military might backing them up, then who in the north would NOT recognize and follow them? One other thing I noticed was that Littlefinger referred to Sansa as “the eldest surviving Stark child” or something like that. “Eldest”, not “only”. Which may or may not mean anything, although it seems like most of the outside world should think that all the other Stark kids are dead. > [@Dewey Finn](#): > > What other characters have we seen who aren’t guilty of some misdeed? Brienne and Podrick come to mind. But most of the characters have blood on their hands. Some quite a lot of blood. Well, Brienne has killed a bunch of people, but always for what seemed like a good reason. But then you could say the same of Tyrion. Prominent still-living characters who I think have pretty much always acted in a non-evil fashion include: -Sam (and Gilly) -Tommen, Rickon, Bran and Meera -Hodor -Missandei -Gendry -Gray Wurm ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/52 "2015-04-27T18:36:20Z")
When Jorah grabs Tyrion at the end and says that he is going to bring him to the Queen, it’s meant to be ambiguous, correct? While it could mean Daeneris (to get back on her good side), it could also mean Cersei (for the reward). ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/53 "2015-04-27T18:39:45Z")
> [@Gothic](#): > > I guess I just feel bad for Sansa, Ramsey’s girlfriend is as scary as he is. This is what I was going to say. And she already gave her the stink eye. In Sansa’s favor, she’s not the naive girl who married Jeofry anymore, Roos needs her alive and she is in a palace full of allies who hate the current owner. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/54 "2015-04-27T19:25:35Z")
Is Gendry ever going to rejoin the plot? Last we saw, he was getting in a row boat pointed at King’s Landing… ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/55 "2015-04-27T20:03:17Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > When Jorah grabs Tyrion at the end and says that he is going to bring him to the Queen, it’s meant to be ambiguous, correct? While it could mean Daeneris (to get back on her good side), it could also mean Cersei (for the reward). To Jorah, there is only one queen, legally, morally, and romantically. However, Tyrion does not know that. So the ambiguity is for him, not us. He thinks Jorah means to return him to Cersei for a reward. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/56 "2015-04-27T20:03:35Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > One other thing I noticed was that Littlefinger referred to Sansa as “the eldest surviving Stark child” or something like that. “Eldest”, not “only”. Which may or may not mean anything, although it seems like most of the outside world should think that all the other Stark kids are dead. Littlefinger told Sansa that Arya is alive back in King’s Landing last season. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/57 "2015-04-27T20:05:39Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Is Gendry ever going to rejoin the plot? Last we saw, he was getting in a row boat pointed at King’s Landing… Perhaps he’s rowing against the current? ---
**Author:** ![LawMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@LawMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LawMonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/58 "2015-04-27T20:07:02Z")
As always, part of the fun of these threads is seeing the creative misspellings of every character’s name. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/59 "2015-04-27T20:16:18Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > To Jorah, there is only one queen, legally, morally, and romantically. However, Tyrion does not know that. So the ambiguity is for him, not us. He thinks Jorah means to return him to Cersei for a reward. Why would Jorah take him to Dany? He is under sentence of death if he returns to Mereen. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/60 "2015-04-27T20:27:00Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Well, Brienne has killed a bunch of people, but always for what seemed like a good reason. But then you could say the same of Tyrion. Prominent still-living characters who I think have pretty much always acted in a non-evil fashion include: > > * * * > > -Gray Wurm Killed a baby. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583.md?page=4)