# Game of Thrones 5.03 "High Sparrow" 4/26/15 \[Show Discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 26, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583 "2015-04-26T17:06:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/81 "2015-04-28T05:55:37Z")
> [@Sir\_Prize](#): > > I never got the impression wants to run the kingdom. She wants what she imagines are the benefits of being queen but I don’t think that includes running the small council. I don’t think we’ve ever seen anything to indicate that she does NOT want to run the kingdom. She already has plenty of riches. What would she want to be queen for if not for power? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/82 "2015-04-28T06:14:59Z")
Adulation, which she seems to strive for, is one reason. Being the queen in a world like that is like being the world’s biggest celebrity - and if you’re a good one, everyone adores you. You’ve basically also achieved the highest position you possibly can in your society as a woman. You’re notable, you’ll go down in history. It may be that Margaery is secretly evil and plotting all along, but we have no evidence for that. She’s manipulative and seeks higher position, sure, but so far she hasn’t done anything bad with that power. She tried to play nice with Cersei, who in turn threatened to kill her, so she’s understandably trying to drive her away. Other than that, we’ve only seen her treating people well. ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/83 "2015-04-28T08:30:43Z")
I think it’s pretty clear that she wants all the power, as do most of the characters. Not just for themselves, but also to be in a stronger position to help their families. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/84 "2015-04-28T08:37:41Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Also notable, the non-nudity of Margaery stood out to me, especially after the gratuitous non-nudity of Danerys a couple episodes ago. The show threw in random nudity a few scenes later in the brothel seen, but it seems gunshy about nudity from its regulars at this point. Yep, noticed that again too. Seems like we won’t be seeing any more of the principal actors naked anymore, except for Stanis’s woman. It’s just really distracting how they’re doing it–why the sudden bouts of modesty from both of them? ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/85 "2015-04-28T08:38:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Didn’t Brienne tell Sansa that Arya was alive? Always seems to be the convienent omission of vital game changing information in GOT. Indeed, Littlefinger didn’t tell her either, but he’s much more tricksy. But to be fair, Sansa does ever seem to wonder or ask about Arya. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/86 "2015-04-28T08:45:43Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I think that was left purposefully ambiguous. He saw Arya, certainly - but did he realize who she was, exactly? Maybe, maybe not. At the time, as the schemer who seemed to screw over Tyrion over a dagger, and betray Ned, I’d have thought he might not have. Now, as the schemer who engineered the war of the five kings with what looks like a five year plan (initially Ned was supposed to support Joffrey and then depose him later, but wouldn’t, so got betrayed), I’d say almost certainly he did. But felt no need to expose her. Not in his plans… ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/87 "2015-04-28T08:53:00Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Also notable, the non-nudity of Margaery stood out to me, especially after the gratuitous non-nudity of Danerys a couple episodes ago. The show threw in random nudity a few scenes later in the brothel seen, but it seems gunshy about nudity from its regulars at this point. How old is the actor playing the new King? Maybe there are … concerns. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/88 "2015-04-28T09:36:09Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Also notable, the non-nudity of Margaery stood out to me, especially after the gratuitous non-nudity of Danerys a couple episodes ago. The show threw in random nudity a few scenes later in the brothel seen, but it seems gunshy about nudity from its regulars at this point. Emilia Clarke was an unknown before GoT. Natalie Dormer was known, but not huge. Their initial contracts were probably only for one or two seasons, then their agents got to renegotiate for a much higher rate and with much more control over things like nudity… what ya gonna do? ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/89 "2015-04-28T09:42:27Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > How old is the actor playing the new King? Maybe there are … concerns. He’s 17 now, was 16 when that scene was filmed. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/90 "2015-04-28T11:43:56Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > I think that was left purposefully ambiguous. He saw Arya, certainly - but did he realize who she was, exactly? Maybe, maybe not. Last season we saw him tell Sansa that Arya is alive. One assumes from that he recognized Arya. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/91 "2015-04-28T11:50:53Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Adulation, which she seems to strive for, is one reason. Being the queen in a world like that is like being the world’s biggest celebrity - and if you’re a good one, everyone adores you. You’ve basically also achieved the highest position you possibly can in your society as a woman. You’re notable, you’ll go down in history. Considering the kind of man her father was, is it surprising that Cersei craves respect? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/92 "2015-04-28T12:11:19Z")
It’s obvious to me that the Tyrells in general and Margaery specifically are playing the power game, specifically with the Lannisters as their main opponent. Margaery is not just a silly girl who wants to be queen for the prestige. She knows what it means to be queen and she knows what kind of danger not being a powerful, unchallenged queen can bring you. That doesn’t necessarily make them evil. But they live in the same world as the Lannisters and they are well informed and not naive. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/93 "2015-04-28T12:26:14Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I didn’t get that at all. I think they’d understand she doesn’t have much choice. I took it as a sign that Sansa would be in a position of authority in the North regardless. I imagine it like the Boltons make a declaration, everyone turns to Sansa to see whether or not they follow it. Basically. I read it a as a lot more menacing. Not to Sansa, who as a woman would have not more say in marrying a Bolton than the people of Winterfell have of being under Bolton rule. It’s more like “we know what the Bolton’s did and we know who your father was. When the time comes, we will see to it that the Boltons get their comeuppance.” ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/94 "2015-04-28T12:28:40Z")
I can’t remember one scene where Arya and Sansa showed any sort of fondness for one another. I just remember Arya throwing food at Sansa at Winterfell and making fun of her at Kings Landing for liking Joffrey. Jorah really expects to live after seeing Daenerys again? Maybe death is better than being away from her. Was it ever explained why Ned did not send Jorah to the Wall to serve? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/95 "2015-04-28T12:40:07Z")
> [@Gothic](#): > > Was it ever explained why Ned did not send Jorah to the Wall to serve? He ran to Essos, choosing exile over the Night’s Watch (or death). ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/96 "2015-04-28T12:42:07Z")
> [@Gothic](#): > > Was it ever explained why Ned did not send Jorah to the Wall to serve? Because Jorah sold men into slavery. That’s a huge no-no in the 7 kingdoms, and the punishment for slavers is death. Not exile to the Wall - death. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/97 "2015-04-28T12:43:58Z")
Thank you, I just thought it was daddy issues. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/98 "2015-04-28T12:53:55Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Last season we saw him tell Sansa that Arya is alive. One assumes from that he recognized Arya. I must have missed this bit… ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/99 "2015-04-28T13:05:19Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Last season we saw him tell Sansa that Arya is alive. One assumes from that he recognized Arya. We saw Littlefinger tell Sansa was was convenient for Littlefinger. wouldn’t make that assumption. I find it more likely that Littlefinger would lie to Sansa than Littlefinger would recognize an extremely valuable hostage (Robb was alive at that point) and do nothing about it. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583/100 "2015-04-28T13:18:52Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > We saw Littlefinger tell Sansa was was convenient for Littlefinger. > > wouldn’t make that assumption. I find it more likely that Littlefinger would lie to Sansa than Littlefinger would recognize an extremely valuable hostage (Robb was alive at that point) and do nothing about it. I don’t follow this. Could you elaborate? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/game-of-thrones-5-03-high-sparrow-4-26-15-show-discussion/718583.md?page=6)